Having some trouble understanding a u-substitution

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The discussion revolves around the method of u-substitution in integral calculus, specifically addressing a problem involving the integral of the function x√(3x-1). Participants explore the nuances of transforming integrals with respect to a new variable u and the implications of the constant of integration in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their confusion regarding the transformation of the integral and the resulting expression for x after applying u-substitution.
  • Another participant clarifies that to perform u-substitution correctly, one must also express x in terms of u, leading to the equation x = 1/3(u² + 1).
  • A participant acknowledges their misunderstanding and asks about the specific variation of u-substitution being used, noting their previous experiences with the method.
  • Discussion includes the use of dx/du to convert dx into du, with a participant explaining that treating the derivative as a fraction can lead to informal but useful notation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the chain rule and its relation to u-substitution, with participants reflecting on their prior use of the method without fully recognizing the underlying principles.

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Participants generally agree on the mechanics of u-substitution and the necessity of expressing x in terms of u. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific interpretation of the constant of integration and the notation used in the transformation process.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their understanding of the method, particularly regarding the treatment of derivatives and the implications of constants in integration. There is also mention of varying levels of rigor in different texts concerning u-substitution.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning integral calculus, particularly those encountering u-substitution for the first time or seeking clarification on its application and underlying principles.

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i have reached a chapter in my pure mathematics text that introduces u-substitution as a method for solving integrals where in general if f(x) = dy/dx, an integral with respect to x may be transformed into an integral with respect to a related variable u such that: ∫ f(x) dx = ∫ [f(x) dx/du]du = y.

A number of examples are carefully illustrated to demonstrate this technique. There is one problem in particular whereby the worked solution is as follows;

Find; ∫ x√(3x-1)dx

Solution;

let: u = √(3x-1), thus.. dx/du = 2u/3 and let: x=1/3(u^2 +1).

→ ∫ [x√(3x-1) dx/du]du = ∫ [1/3(u^2+1)u 2u/3]du
= ∫ [2/9(u^4) + 2/9(u^2)]du

The problem i have here is that when i separate the variables and integrate the [dx/du = 2u/3] i get x=1/3(u^2) + c, and not x=1/3(u^2 +1) as shown in the book. i understand the further simplification from here and i can see that setting the constant of integration to one (c=1) to give x=1/3(u^2 +1) is perhaps some kind of trick that allows one to get the second term in terms of the derivative of x, w.r.t u? but I'm unable to figure out how the intuition for this works out, after all could that constant not be any real number?

I have not seen this kind of substitution before. i only solved for and substituted for u and du so far. Can anyone explain to me what kind of u substitution this is?

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lukka said:
The problem i have here is that when i separate the variables and integrate the [dx/du = 2u/3] i get x=1/3(u^2) + c, and not x=1/3(u^2 +1) as shown in the book.

There is no integration involved (yet) in that step. If you substitute u for √(3x - 1) then you also need to rewrite the x preceding it, so you need to solve your definition u = √(3x - 1) for x:
u = √(3x - 1)
u² = 3x - 1
u² + 1 = 3x
1/3(u² + 1) = x

Now substitute this in x√(3x - 1) everywhere, where of course √(3x - 1) just gives you u again.
 
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Thanks for pointing that out CompuChip! Your explanation is sound. i guess i was solving it as a differential when i really didn't need to, just was not obvious to me at first. Silly mistake really! What variation of u-substitution is being used here? i have not seen the use of [dx/du]du before, when carrying out u-substituions in the past i have been substituting for u and du only and simplifying, i just feel like I've missed something here. thanks again for sharing your insight
 
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The dx/du is used to transform dx into du, because you need to integrate w.r.t the new variable as well.

If you treat the derivative as an ordinary fraction - which you really shouldn't! But it often works - you could write
##\frac{dx}{du} \, du = \frac{dx}{\not{du}} \not{du} = dx##
This leads to notation like "Let u = sin(x), then du = cos(x) dx" that you may encounter in less rigorous texts.

More formally, if you go back to the definition of integration, you can get it from the chain rule.

in the past i have been substituting for u and du only
Can you be a bit more specific on how you have "substituted for du"? Because I'm sure that you have used exactly this procedure but you probably weren't aware of it. E.g. if u = 3x - 1 you would simply get du = dx up to a constant pre-factor which you can do without formally computing du/dx.
 
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Thanks for your explanation, i understand what you are saying here. I can see now how is arises naturally from applying the chain rule..

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Can you be a bit more specific on how you have "substituted for du"? Because I'm sure that you have used exactly this procedure but you probably weren't aware of it. E.g. if u = 3x - 1 you would simply get du = dx up to a constant pre-factor which you can do without formally computing du/dx.

You're absolutely right, i was using this method the whole time. it was just not obvious at the time since i was only computing functions up to a constant pre-factor as you've kindly pointed out. This resolves the confusion i was having. Thanks for your help, it is greatly appreciated!
 

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