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The discussion revolves around the normalization of the excited state wavefunction for the hydrogen atom, specifically the expression \(\psi = (2 - r/a_0) e^a\) where \(a = -r/a_0\). Participants are exploring the integration process required to normalize this wavefunction to one.

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  • Participants discuss various attempts to integrate the squared wavefunction and express confusion regarding the correct form of \(R^2\) in the integration process. Some participants provide alternative forms of the integral and question the handling of spherical coordinates and normalization factors.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and seeking clarification on specific steps. Some have provided insights into the integration process, while others express uncertainty about the setup and the application of spherical coordinates in the normalization process.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the original wavefunction's form and the treatment of angular integrals in the normalization process. Participants are also questioning whether certain factors have been omitted in the calculations.

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1.Question.

the unnormalized excited state wavefuction of the H atom is:
\psi = ( 2 - r/a_0 ) e^a

where a = -r/a_0

Normalize the function to one.

2. My attempts.

I tried 'integrating' the psi*psi, i.e. I squared the above wavefuction.

N^2\int_{0}^{\infty} R^2e^{2a}\int_{0}^{\pi}sin \theta d\theta\int_{0}^{2\pi}d\phi =1

From here, I got confused with the examples. The second and third integrations were obviously 2 and 2\pi, but the first integration I'm getting confused as to what to put as R^2 and I'm getting the same answer as the examples because when I done the calculation, the power to which R is the same with every question, which was a^3_0/4

Hence: a^3_0/4*2*2\pi =1/N^2

Hence I worked out N from this equation, but the answer I got was:

\psi =(1/\pi a^3_0)^{1/2}e^{-r/a_0}

Which is the same as every other damn normalized wavefuction in the book.

I think I'm having trouble actually understanding how R^2 is translated from the original wavefuction to the actual integration, hence my immense trouble to working out what R is. Can anyone help with this?
 
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I'm afraid I can't parse what you're saying. Could you try to clean it up?
 
Sorry, Had a lot of trouble getting used to the Latex type setting. Updated it so you can read it a bit.. hopefully.
 
The radial integral is
\int_{0} ^{\infty} (4 -4a+a^{2}) e^{-2a} a^{2} da /a_{0} ^{2}
where a = r/a_{0}. These are straightforward integrals that are found in any integral table.
 
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thank you!
 
Wait, when I calculated the first integral, I got:

\psi = (2 - a)e^{-a}

hence:

First integral: \int_{0}^{\infty}(4-4a+a^2)(e^{-2a})a_0da
=a_0\int_{0}^{\infty}(4-4a+a^2)(e^{-2a})da

since: a = -r/a_0

da/dr = 1/a_0
da = (1/a_0)dr
(a_0)da = dr
I'm not sure I understand how you got the a^2/a_0^2 Could you, if you have the time, care to elaborate?
 
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Change variables from r to a = r/a_{0}, you have to remember that in sphereical coordinates you have r^{2} dr for the integration over all r space. Check my original work because I forget to put in factors normalization until I check my units at the end. and I usually screw up early in the am...
 
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Still having trouble with the first integration part.. I'll rewrite the original equation:

\psi = (2-r/a_0)e^{-r/a_0}
 
Let \alpha = r/a_{0}, then

|\psi |^{2} = (2-\alpha)^{2} e^{-2\alpha} so the integral becomes

\int_{0} ^{\infty} (4-4\alpha+\alpha^{2})e^{-2\alpha} a_{0} ^{3} \alpha^{2} d\alpha

From here you have yo do the integrals, the can be found in an integral table... In general you have

\int _{0} ^{\infty} x^{n} e^{-ax} dx = \frac{n!}{a^{n-1}} for a > 0, n an integer. From here you can find everything you need to calculate the normalization factor.
 
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I have nothing helpful to add. Just two (maybe stupid) questions as I try to follow along:
In the original equation should the exp. of e be a/2?
Should the integrals of the theta and Phi functions be included in the normalization?
 
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cgw said:
I have nothing helpful to add. Just two (maybe stupid) questions as I try to follow along:
In the original equation should the exp. of e be a/2?
Should the integrals of the theta and Phi functions be included in the normalization?

The problem may have been as written.

Now as for the angular integrals, the normnalization of them are included in the integral in the form of factors of \pi which up to this point have been ignored. The part of the original posters problem is that they are forgeting that the form of the volume element in spherical coordinates is r^{2} dr \cos(\theta) d \theta d \phi.
 

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