Hawking's latest contribution, is this an implication?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Stephen Hawking's contributions to theoretical physics, particularly regarding the concept of Hawking radiation and its potential relationship to the transformation of matter into photons or electromagnetic waves. Participants explore the theoretical aspects, including entropy and the quantum state of radiation, while referencing various articles and papers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants speculate whether everything, including humans, could eventually turn into photons or electromagnetic waves, linking this idea to Hawking radiation and entropy.
  • Others express skepticism about the validity of popular science articles as a basis for discussion, emphasizing the need for actual scientific papers.
  • Concerns are raised about the quantum state of radiation and its implications for understanding entropy, with some participants noting that the current approach does not clarify the quantum state.
  • There is a mention that Hawking's original postulates require an event horizon, which may not apply to the new propositions being discussed.
  • Some participants question whether the new theories could involve particles beyond just photons, indicating a lack of specificity in the current discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the speculative nature of the hypothesis regarding matter turning into light, while others challenge the basis of the discussion and the relevance of the sources cited. The conversation remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the implications of Hawking's contributions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the current understanding of the quantum state of radiation and the implications for entropy, as well as the reliance on popular science articles rather than peer-reviewed papers.

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Does this mean that everything, including us, will turn into photons/electromagnetic waves some day? Sounds fun! A universe of matter converted entirely to light!

I couldn't find any papers yet on this on scholar.google.com

Here are some good articles though:

https://www.livescience.com/space/b...niverse-is-doomed-to-evaporate-new-study-says

With more links:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hawking+evaporation+news

Does this have to do with the concept of Entropy?

Thanks,

Jake
 
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jaketodd said:
Sounds fun! A universe of matter converted entirely to light!
Well, if there's a nuclear war soon, most of the protons, neutrons and electrons in your body are likely to start moving very close to the speed of light. :oldsurprised:
 
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Unfortunately, this effective action approach says nothing about the quantum state of radiation.

Also, as the authors themselves say, "It is not immediately clear whether this is an additional effect to Hawking radiation or a generalization thereof".
 
jaketodd said:
Does this have to do with the concept of Entropy?
In their approach the quantum state of radiation is not known, so one cannot say what's the von Neumann entropy of radiation.
 
jaketodd said:
Hawking's latest contribution
Stephen Hawking died five years ago, this "contribution" is not his (in particular the phenomenon Hawking postulated requires an event horizon whereas this new proposition does not).
 
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strangerep said:
Well, if there's a nuclear war soon, most of the protons, neutrons and electrons in your body are likely to start moving very close to the speed of light. :oldsurprised:
Darn that Putin! =) Or maybe a nuclear war would, kind of like you say, turn us all in to light, and we wouldn't wait for Hawking to free us! =)
 
Demystifier said:
Unfortunately, this effective action approach says nothing about the quantum state of radiation.

Also, as the authors themselves say, "It is not immediately clear whether this is an additional effect to Hawking radiation or a generalization thereof".
Other than photons, is there any specificity narrowing it down to a possible group of possible particles? That's interesting that it might not just be photons. Forgive me; is this what you mean? Thanks!
 
jaketodd said:
Other than photons, is there any specificity narrowing it down to a possible group of possible particles? That's interesting that it might not just be photons. Forgive me; is this what you mean? Thanks!
No, I mean that they don't write the state of radiation in a Hilbert space. Hence you can't know whether the state is pure or mixed, are there correlations between the particles, etc.
 
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jaketodd said:
Here are some good articles though
None of these are actual papers. They are pop science. Pop science articles are not a valid basis for discussion in this forum.

jaketodd said:
Does this mean that everything, including us, will turn into photons/electromagnetic waves some day?
This is indeed a speculative hypothesis based on Hawking radiation, and it has been discussed in other PF threads based on actual papers that discuss the hypothesis.
 
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Since there is no valid basis for discussion given, this thread is closed.
 
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