Heat Equation B.Cs: Solve & Determine Coefficients

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The discussion revolves around solving the heat equation in cylindrical coordinates, specifically addressing boundary conditions (b.c.) and the determination of coefficients related to these conditions. The context includes theoretical aspects of partial differential equations (PDEs) and potential methods for handling discontinuities in boundary conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Muzialis describes the problem of solving the heat equation in cylindrical coordinates with fixed temperature boundary conditions at the inner and outer radius, and a uniform initial temperature at the outer radius.
  • Muzialis expresses uncertainty about determining the coefficients Am and c in relation to the boundary conditions, particularly due to the discontinuity at time 0.
  • Muzialis mentions a source regarding Green's functions for solving the PDE, questioning why there are different Green's functions for different boundary value problems.
  • HallsofIvy asks whether the problem is "interior" or "exterior," suggesting additional conditions based on the region of interest.
  • HallsofIvy indicates that boundary conditions should be applied at the circles r = a and r = b for the region a < r < b.
  • Muzialis acknowledges the clarification about boundary conditions but still expresses uncertainty on how to proceed with the problem.
  • Muzialis repeatedly seeks assistance and clarification on the original post, indicating a desire for further guidance.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on how to proceed with the problem, and there are multiple viewpoints regarding the application of boundary conditions and the use of Green's functions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the challenges of applying boundary conditions in the context of a discontinuous initial temperature distribution and the implications for the solution of the heat equation.

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Hello there,

hope you are having a good one.

My problem is to solve the heat equtaion in cylindrical coordinates.
This has been done by others for me, so a closed form solution is available, please see attached (please note the problem is 1 - D due to initial conditions depending only on r).



My b.c. are as follows:
For all time, fixed temperature at the inner and outer radius of the hollow cylinder
At time= 0, all the cyclinder is uniformly at the same tempeature as the outer radius.

Using these conditions I should determine the coefficients Am and c in the solution, but I am unsure on how to do in relation to my b.c.s.
At time 0 my b.c. are discontinuous, which I am unable to replicate by any choice of the coefficients. Still I am sure they are legal, as I dealt long time with other cases where the initla temperature distribution was the dirac function.

Any hint would be the most appreciated, thank you very much

Muzialis
 

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Its me again.

I just forgot to mention I also found this other source, which I attach, about solving the PDE using Green's functions, which would cope with the discontinuous b.c. very nicely.

But I can not understand why there are two different Green's functions for two different boundary value problems. I am all but on expert on this, still i was under the impression every linear operator would have its own Green function, full stop.

Any explanation would be so welcome as well.

All the Best

Muzialis
 

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All,

I do hate being so molest, but still I was wondering if anybody had any help to give.

It would be relaly appreciated.

Thank you

Best Regards

Muzialis
 
Is this problem "interior" or "exterior"? That is, is your equation to be satisfied inside or outside the cylinder?

If inside, then an additional condition is that it be continuous at r= 0.

If outside, then an additional condition is that it must not "blow up" (go to infinity) as r goes to infinity.
 
HallsofIvy,

thank you for your post.

The equation is to be satisfied in the region a < r < b. The problem is moreover centrally simmetric.
Still I am unsure on how to proceed.

Kindest Regards

Muzialis
 
Then you should have boundary conditions on the two circle r= a and r= b.
 
HalfsofIvy,

many thanks for youe elucidation.

I think I understand what you say. Actually in my first post i describe the boundary conditions as

"My b.c. are as follows:
For all time, fixed temperature at the inner and outer radius of the hollow cylinder
At time= 0, all the cyclinder is uniformly at the same tempeature as the outer radius <..>".

My probelm though starts here.

All the best and many thanks for your time

Muzialis
 
Hi All,

well, it is me again.
Let me apologize for my stubbornness, still as they say, asking is never impolite.

could anybody forgive my insistence and provide me with a clue on my original post?

Thank you again and sincerely sorry for having to be this molest

All the Best

Muzialis
 

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