Heat of mixture of two substances (no state changes)

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The discussion revolves around a thermal equilibrium problem involving a mixture of copper and water. The original poster presents a scenario where a 100-g sample of copper at 100°C is mixed with 140 g of water at 25°C, seeking to determine the final temperature of the mixture. The specific heat capacities of both substances are provided.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the heat transfer equations, particularly focusing on the signs used for the temperature changes (ΔT) for both substances. There is a recognition of the need for careful handling of heat lost and gained.

Discussion Status

Several participants have pointed out potential sign errors in the original poster's calculations. They emphasize the importance of ensuring that the heat lost by one substance corresponds correctly to the heat gained by the other. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct formulation of the equations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the final temperature must logically fall between the initial temperatures of the two substances, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the calculations. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the outcome being lower than both starting temperatures.

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Homework Statement



A 100-g sample of Cu(s), initially at 100oC, is added to 140 g of water, initially at 25oC. What is the final temperature of the mixture?

Specific heat
(in J g-1 oC-1)
Cu(s) 0.385
H2O(l ) 4.184

Homework Equations



Q = m * ΔT * c

heat lost = heat gained
m1 * ΔT1 * c1 = m2 * ΔT2 * c2

The Attempt at a Solution



100 * (T2 - 100) * 0.385 = 140 * (T2 - 25) * 4.185
38.5* (T2 - 100) = 585.9 * (T2 - 25)
38.5T2 - 3850 = 585.9T2 - 14647.5
T2 = 19.725°CBut the temperature can't be lower than both their starting temperatures, what did I do wrong? The answer is supposed to be 29.6
 
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Take a look at the expressions you're using for ΔT for the two substances. One should be cooling down while the other is warming up, but you want both to yield positive numbers.
 
Hello, Esoremada.

You've been snagged by a common sign error for this type of problem. The expression Q = mcΔT represents the heat gained by an object. So, you have to be careful when writing heat lost by an object.

The system as a whole is isolated. So, the total heat gained by the system is zero:

Q1+Q2=0

m1c1ΔT1 + m2c2ΔT2 = 0

Rearrange to

-m1c1ΔT1 = m2c2ΔT2

Note the negative sign on the left (the heat lost term).

So, if you want to set it up as Heat Lost = Heat Gained, then you'll need to handle the sign of the heat lost.

[ASIDE: Did we just set a record for the number of posts within 1 minute?]
 
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Esoremada said:

Homework Statement



A 100-g sample of Cu(s), initially at 100oC, is added to 140 g of water, initially at 25oC. What is the final temperature of the mixture?

Specific heat
(in J g-1 oC-1)
Cu(s) 0.385
H2O(l ) 4.184

Homework Equations



Q = m * ΔT * c

heat lost = heat gained
m1 * ΔT1 * c1 = m2 * ΔT2 * c2

The Attempt at a Solution



100 * (T2 - 100) * 0.385 = 140 * (T2 - 25) * 4.185
38.5* (T2 - 100) = 585.9 * (T2 - 25)
38.5T2 - 3850 = 585.9T2 - 14647.5
T2 = 19.725°C


But the temperature can't be lower than both their starting temperatures, what did I do wrong? The answer is supposed to be 29.6

Heat lost and heat gained should both be positive. You know T2 is between 100 and 25. You have a sign problem. Change (T2-100) to (100-T2).
 

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