Heat Transfer in Metal Tank: Time to Drop from θ2 to θ1

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a heat transfer equation that accounts for time in the context of a metal tank partially filled with liquid. Participants explore the factors influencing the temperature drop of the tank's exterior from θ2 to θ1, considering the tank's material properties, dimensions, and insulation characteristics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a heat transfer equation that incorporates time for a metal tank with specific properties.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of parameters such as surface area, temperature difference, and heat transfer coefficient, noting the difficulty in calculating the coefficient accurately.
  • A participant mentions that the heat transfer coefficient varies significantly based on insulation and wall thickness, suggesting experimental measurement or manufacturer data as potential solutions.
  • Several participants recommend consulting introductory heat transfer textbooks for concepts like "unsteady" or "transient" heat transfer, Biot number, and Heisler charts, indicating that the problem can be approached with varying levels of detail.
  • One participant points out the complexity of the problem, highlighting the need to consider convection inside the tank, conduction through the tank walls, and convection of air outside the tank.
  • Another participant suggests that experimental measurements would be the most effective way to obtain answers, especially if the tank is manageable in size and water at different temperatures is available.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the problem and the importance of various parameters. However, there is no consensus on a single method or equation to solve the problem, and multiple approaches are suggested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in obtaining a straightforward solution due to the complexity of heat transfer processes involved, including the need for specific coefficients and the influence of various forms of heat transfer.

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I'm trying to find a heat transfer equation that includes time. Metal tank, partially filled with liquid. I need to find the time it would take for the temperature on the outside of the tank to drop from θ2 to θ1, given thickness, metal and liquid's properties, and tank dimensions
 
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The most important parameters are surface area of the tank, temperature difference in and out, and heat transfer coefficient.

The heat transfer coefficient is small for well insulated walls, and large for no insulation and thin walls. It is very difficult to calculate. Typically, you would need to measure it by experiment, or to get a value from the manufacturer of the tank.
 
anorlunda said:
The most important parameters are surface area of the tank, temperature difference in and out, and heat transfer coefficient.

The heat transfer coefficient is small for well insulated walls, and large for no insulation and thin walls. It is very difficult to calculate. Typically, you would need to measure it by experiment, or to get a value from the manufacturer of the tank.
Thank you for the reply
The tank is not purchased; it was made in our student machine shop. Assuming I have the coefficient, how would I go on from there?
 
Any introductory heat transfer textbook, look for: "unsteady" or "transient" one-dimensional heat transfer; Biot number; Heisler charts.

This problem can be solved approximately or in any amount of detail as needed.
 
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gmax137 said:
Any introductory heat transfer textbook, look for: "unsteady" or "transient" one-dimensional heat transfer; Biot number; Heisler charts.

This problem can be solved approximately or in any amount of detail as needed.
Thank you!
 
Thatrandomdudeacross said:
Assuming I have the coefficient, how would I go on from there?
There is not really a single "coefficient" for this because the problem is very complex. You need to know the effect of convection inside the tank, conduction through the walls of the tank and convection of the air outside the tank. You should be aware of this before you look for a simple answer to your problem.
Try this link and a textbook about thermal physics. The best way to an answer would be to do experimental measurements. These would not be too hard if the tank is not too big and if you have a supply of water at various temperatures - and plenty of time.
 

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