Heisenberg Equations of Motion, Solving for S(t) in Spin Precession problem

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The discussion revolves around the spin precession problem in the Heisenberg picture, specifically focusing on the Heisenberg equations of motion for the spin operators S_{x}(t), S_{y}(t), and S_{z}(t) using a given Hamiltonian. Participants are exploring how to express the spin vector \vec{S} as a function of time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the computation of the Heisenberg equations and the resulting differential equations for S_{x}. There is uncertainty regarding the initial conditions needed to solve for the constants in the solution. Questions arise about the values of S_{x}(0), S_{y}(0), and S_{z}(0) and how they relate to the constants in the solution.

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Some participants have provided insights into how to derive the constants from initial conditions, while others express confusion about the implications of these conditions and the nature of the spin operators. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the operators and their time evolution, but no consensus has been reached regarding the initial values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that initial conditions for the spin operators are not specified, leading to discussions about how to approach the problem without this information. The nature of the particle and its spin in a magnetic field is also under consideration, but no definitive conclusions are drawn.

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Problem
Consider the spin precession problem in the Heisenberg picture. Using the Hamiltonian

[tex]H=-\omega S_{z}[/tex]

where
[tex]\omega=\frac{eB}{mc}[/tex]

write the Heisenberg equations of motion for the time dependent operators [tex]S_{x}(t)[/tex], [tex]S_{y}(t)[/tex], and [tex]S_{z}(t)[/tex]. Solve them to obtain [tex]\vec{S}[/tex] as a function of t.

Formulae

[tex]\frac{d A_{H}}{dt}=\frac{1}{\imath \hbar}[A_{H}, H][/tex]

[tex]A_{H}=U^{\dagger}A_{S}U[/tex]

[tex]U=e^{\frac{-\imath H t}{\hbar}}[/tex]

Attempt
Well, computing the Heisenberg equations is pretty straitforward:

[tex]\frac{d S_{x}}{dt}=\frac{1}{\imath \hbar}[S_{x}, -\omega S_{z}]<br /> =-\frac{\omega}{\imath \hbar}[S_{x},S_{z}]<br /> =\omega S_{y}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d S_{y}}{dt}=\frac{1}{\imath \hbar}[S_{y}, -\omega S_{z}]<br /> =-\frac{\omega}{\imath \hbar}[S_{y},S_{z}]<br /> =-\omega S_{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d S_{z}}{dt}=\frac{1}{\imath \hbar}[S_{z}, -\omega S_{z}]<br /> =-\frac{\omega}{\imath \hbar}[S_{z},S_{z}]<br /> =0[/tex]

But when it comes to solving for a function of t, I’m stuck with extra constants. My method here is to differentiate [tex]S_{x}[/tex] twice, and then solve the resulting differential equation.

[tex]\frac{d^{2}S_{x}}{dt^{2}}=-\omega^{2} S_{x}[/tex]

[tex]S_{x} = C_{1} e^{\imath \omega t}+C_{2} e^{-\imath \omega t}[/tex]

What “initial/boundary conditions” do I use to determine the two constants above? Normalization of some sort?
 
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Normalization isn't the issue. Since initial conditions aren't specified, you should take them to just be Si(0) (i=x,y,z), so that C1+C2=Sx(0). Can you see how to get C1-C2 from what you have so far?
 
I'm not quite sure.

I know of [tex]S_{x}[/tex] as,

[tex]S_{x} = \frac{\hbar}{2} \sigma_{x}[/tex]

...but I'm not sure how that helps, considering both C's are complex coefficients, not operators, matrices, or vectors. At t=0, would S_x have any value at all, wouldn't it be zero considering the Hamiltonian? I was never really comfortable with spin...

If [tex]S_{x}(t=0) = 0[/tex], then I suppose...
[tex]C_{1} =-C_{2}[/tex]
And perhaps we could set C_1 equal to 1 or hbar/2?
 
logic smogic said:
Attempt
Well, computing the Heisenberg equations is pretty straitforward:

[tex]\frac{d S_{x}}{dt}=\frac{1}{\imath \hbar}[S_{x}, -\omega S_{z}]<br /> =-\frac{\omega}{\imath \hbar}[S_{x},S_{z}]<br /> =\omega S_{y}[/tex]...(1)


But when it comes to solving for a function of t, I’m stuck with extra constants. My method here is to differentiate [tex]S_{x}[/tex] twice, and then solve the resulting differential equation.

[tex]\frac{d^{2}S_{x}}{dt^{2}}=-\omega^{2} S_{x}[/tex]

[tex]S_{x} = C_{1} e^{\omega t}+C_{2} e^{-\omega t}[/tex]...(2)

What “initial/boundary conditions” do I use to determine the two constants above? Normalization of some sort?

I think your eq. (2) should read

[tex]S_{x}(t) = C_{1} e^{i\omega t}+C_{2} e^{-i\omega t}[/tex]

It is more convenient to rewrite it as

[tex]S_{x}(t) = A \cos(\omega t) + B \sin(\omega t)[/tex]

Supposedly you know the operator of spin at t=0 [itex]S_{x}(0), S_{y}(0), S_{z}(0)[/itex]. Then you obtain

[tex]A = S_{x}(0)[/tex]

and from eq. (1)

[tex]B = \omega^{-1} d/dt [S_{x}(0)] = S_y(0)[/tex]

So, the full solution is

[tex]S_{x}(t) = S_x(0) \cos(\omega t) + S_y(0) \sin(\omega t)[/tex]

Eugene.
 
Oh yes, forgot the i's. All fixed now.

Using Euler's Formula and Eq. 1 to find B is very instructive. Thanks.
Clearly, the vector precesses around the z-axis, as there's no change in S_z, and does so in an elliptical manner based on S_x(0) and S_y(0).

We are not given S_i(0) for i=x,y,z. That is, I have given you all the information. I presume we cannot find them from the nature of the particle (and the subject of spin precession in a B-field, in general)? If so, I'll just leave them as is.
 

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