Helmholtz in spherical co-ordinates - Boundary Conditions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Helmholtz equation in spherical coordinates, particularly focusing on the boundary conditions and the appropriate forms of the radial solution inside and outside a sphere. Participants explore the separation of variables method and the resulting Bessel functions involved in the solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process of solving the Helmholtz equation using separation of variables and notes that the radial equation can be expressed as a spherical Bessel equation.
  • It is stated that the solution inside the sphere is typically taken as R(r) = a j_l(z) due to the divergence of the Bessel function y_l at z = 0.
  • Another participant questions why the Bessel function j_l is not included in the solution outside the sphere, suggesting that the solution should be R(r) = a j_l(z) + b y_l(z) instead of just R(r) = b y_l(z).
  • There is mention of literature being split on the approach to the solution, with some sources advocating for setting a = 0 or using the Hankel function h_l(z) instead.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of the common practices in literature, with a participant expressing uncertainty about the validity of the solutions presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate forms of the radial solution outside the sphere, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or boundary conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in the application of boundary conditions and the selection of Bessel functions in the context of the Helmholtz equation, indicating a lack of clarity in the literature regarding these choices.

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Hello,

I was just after an explanation of how people get to this conclusion:

Say you are looking at the Helmholtz equation in spherical co-ordinates.

You use separation of variables, you solve for the polar and azimuthal components.

Now you solve for the radial, you will find that the radial equation can be written in the form of the spherical bessel equation after a slight change of variables.

The solution to the radial part is then:

R(r) = a j_l (z) + b y_l (z)

where z(r).

I often see people do this:

Inside the sphere:

R(r) = a j_l (z)

This is fair enough, the bessel y diverges at z = 0.

However I don't understand why people say that outside the sphere:

R(r) = b y_l (z)

Why is the bessel j not involved here?

Thanks
 
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Hey,

Thanks for your replies,

Yea, this is a tough one, there really isn't any more information I can give. I have found that the literature is split, half of the time people do it one way, and the other half another way.

What I would think is the correct way is to say that the solution OUTSIDE the sphere is:
R(r) = a j_l (z) + b y_l (z)

Then apply boundary conditions to get a and b.

No body does this, either they set a = 0, which is what I mentioned in the first post, OR, they say:

R(r) = c h_l (z)

where h_l is either the hankel function of the first/second kind or j_l, or y_l. This approach is slightly better, but I still don't see how this is correct. While it's still a solution, it just doesn't seem right...
 

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