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The discussion revolves around the characterization of all subspaces of D, the space of all 2x2 diagonal matrices. Participants explore the dimensionality of this space and the nature of its subspaces, touching on concepts from linear algebra and matrix representation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the space of 2x2 diagonal matrices can be identified with R^4, suggesting that diagonal matrices seem limited in their structure.
  • Another participant proposes that the identification of a matrix with a tuple in R^4 is based on a double-alphabet ordering, indicating that 2x2 diagonal matrices can be represented as (a, 0, 0, b) where a and b are real numbers.
  • A participant reiterates that a 2x2 matrix consists of four independent real numbers, arguing that viewing them as matrices can be misleading and that subspaces can be described in terms of their dimensions (0, 1, 2, and 3).
  • Some participants note that diagonal matrices form a subspace of R^4 where the second and third entries are zero, suggesting this results in a 2-dimensional subspace.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the claim of 3-dimensional subspaces, with one participant questioning the reasoning behind this assertion while acknowledging the existence of 1-dimensional and zero subspaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of the subspaces of diagonal matrices, with some agreeing on the 2-dimensional nature of the diagonal subspace while others challenge the existence of 3-dimensional subspaces. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact characterization of all subspaces.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding the dimensionality of the subspaces, particularly regarding the constraints imposed by the requirement for matrices to be diagonal. There is also a lack of consensus on how to interpret the dimensions of the subspaces.

kostoglotov
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The exercise is: (b) describe all the subspaces of D, the space of all 2x2 diagonal matrices.

I just would have said I and Z initially, since you can't do much more to simplify a diagonal matrix.

The answer given is here, relevant answer is (b):

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I cannot understand how D is R^4, let alone the rest of the answer. I kind of get why there'd be orthogonal subspaces in that case, since it's diagonal...but that's just grasping at straws.

I can see how we might take the columns of D and form linear combinations from them, but those column vectors are in R^2
 
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Maybe they are using the identification of a matrix ##(a_{ij})## with the ## i \times j##-ple (i.e., a point in ##\mathbb R^{i \times j} ##) given by : ## (a_{11}, a_{12},..., a_{ij}) ## , i.e., you use a double-alphabet ordering to do the identification. ## 2 \times 2 ## diagonal matrices are then identified with the set ##(a, 0,0,b) :a, b \in \mathbb R ##.
 
kostoglotov said:
I cannot understand how D is R^4,

In short, the set of 2x2's with real entries is just a silly way of writing \mathbb{R}^4.

A 2x2 matrix is of course going to be a set of 4 independent real numbers. Independent in the sense that the elements do not constrain one another. We add component-wise, and we perform scalar multiplication component-wise. Really, this is exactly how we work with row/column vectors. We've just written them down differently. Thinking of them as actual matrices is misleading, I think. The question's solution then follows by describing (very generally) that the subspaces are just (any!) spaces of dimension 0,1,2 and 3. 1D subspaces always have to pass through the zero vector, that's nothing special about this case.
 
FireGarden said:
In short, the set of 2x2's with real entries is just a silly way of writing \mathbb{R}^4.

A 2x2 matrix is of course going to be a set of 4 independent real numbers. Independent in the sense that the elements do not constrain one another. We add component-wise, and we perform scalar multiplication component-wise. Really, this is exactly how we work with row/column vectors. We've just written them down differently. Thinking of them as actual matrices is misleading, I think. The question's solution then follows by describing (very generally) that the subspaces are just (any!) spaces of dimension 0,1,2 and 3. 1D subspaces always have to pass through the zero vector, that's nothing special about this case.

But the diagonal matrices are already a subspace of ##\mathbb R^4 ## whose 2nd, 3rd entries are both ## 0 ##. That makes it into a 2-dimensional subspace of ##\mathbb R^4 ##.
 
WWGD said:
But the diagonal matrices are already a subspace of ##\mathbb R^4 ## whose 2nd, 3rd entries are both ## 0 ##. That makes it into a 2-dimensional subspace of ##\mathbb R^4 ##.

Oh, I didn't read the requirement for the matrices to be diagonal. We still get some of the 1 dimensional subspaces and the zero subspace anyway - the second and third entries must be zero to be diagonal, but we could just as well fix the first and/or fourth to be zero, and we will still have a diagonal matrix. I'm not sure why the answer claims there are 3 dimensional subspaces in this case though..
 

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