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The discussion revolves around a differential equation assignment related to the dynamics of love between Romeo and Juliet, modeled through the equations dr/dt=-j and dj/dt=r. Participants explore the implications of these equations and the initial conditions provided, as well as how to interpret a quote from Tennyson in the context of differential equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a system of differential equations representing Romeo's and Juliet's love, suggesting that the second derivative of r leads to a harmonic oscillator equation.
  • The participant proposes solutions for r(t) and j(t) based on initial conditions, leading to a discussion about the final part of the assignment regarding the quote from Tennyson.
  • Another participant provides links to previous threads for additional context and resources.
  • There is a request for clarification on the concept of a forcing term and its relevance to the assignment, specifically how it relates to the seasonal influence on Romeo's love.
  • A later reply defines a forcing term as a function of time that influences the system, suggesting that the seasonal aspect of love could be modeled mathematically as such.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the concept of a forcing term and its application to the assignment, with some seeking clarification while others provide explanations. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the quote in relation to the differential equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the forcing term or how it specifically connects to the quote from Tennyson. The discussion includes varying levels of understanding regarding the mathematical modeling involved.

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Hi, I have to make an assignment on differential equations and Romeo and Juliet.
r(t) is romeo's love for Juliet at time t, j(t) is Juliet's love for Romeo at time t
So far, it is given: dr/dt=-j and dj/dt=r.
It is also given that Romeo & Juliet's families are enemies, thus the initial condition at time t=0 is (r,j)=(-1,-1)

If we would take the second derivative of r we get: r’’=-j’. We know that j’=r, which means r’’ =-r. can be recognized as the equation of an harmonic oscillator. Our solution will therefore have this shape: r=A sin(t)+B cos(t).
To get the solution to j, we know j=-r’, which gives us:
j= -(Acos(t)-Bsin(t))= -Acos(t)+Bsin(t)
With the initial conditions:
r(t)= sin(t)-cos(t)
j(t)=-cos(t)-sin(t)


Now, the last part of the assignment is:
“In the Spring a young man’s fancy lightly turns to
thoughts of love,” says Tennyson.
What differential equation concept is best invoked to capture this
idea?

A. a forcing term
B. an unstable equilibrium
C. a nonlinear function for t
D. none of the above

Could someone help me with this part? I know the answer is A, but I’m not completely sure why.
 
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Hello, and welcome to MHB! (Wave)

You may wish to read the following two threads first:

https://mathhelpboards.com/calculus-10/differential-equations-romeo-juliet-24978.html

https://mathhelpboards.com/calculus-10/romeo-juliet-initial-conditions-24991.html
 
MarkFL said:
Hello, and welcome to MHB! (Wave)

You may wish to read the following two threads first:

https://mathhelpboards.com/calculus-10/differential-equations-romeo-juliet-24978.html

https://mathhelpboards.com/calculus-10/romeo-juliet-initial-conditions-24991.html

Hi, thank you for the links!
Sorry, I believe I should have made the title of my question more clear.
I have some trouble with the last part of the assignment, as I don't completely understand what forcing a term is and how it relates to the quote.

Would you be able to help me? (If you don't mind)

Thanks!
 
helpmath said:
Hi, thank you for the links!
Sorry, I believe I should have made the title of my question more clear.
I have some trouble with the last part of the assignment, as I don't completely understand what forcing a term is and how it relates to the quote.

Would you be able to help me? (If you don't mind)

Thanks!

A forcing term, or forcing function, is broadly a function that appears in the equations and is only a function of time, and not of any of the other variables. A forcing term in this problem, appears to be the result of Romeo's love being influenced seasonally, that is, during the spring. Since the term "seasonally" refers only to time, and not to any of the other variables in the system, this seasonal influence would be mathematically modeled by a forcing function. I think that's what you're being asked to observe here.
 
MarkFL said:
A forcing term, or forcing function, is broadly a function that appears in the equations and is only a function of time, and not of any of the other variables. A forcing term in this problem, appears to be the result of Romeo's love being influenced seasonally, that is, during the spring. Since the term "seasonally" refers only to time, and not to any of the other variables in the system, this seasonal influence would be mathematically modeled by a forcing function. I think that's what you're being asked to observe here.

Thank you so much!
 

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