Help Finding Final Temp of Mixing Water Together

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The discussion revolves around determining the final temperature when mixing two quantities of water at different temperatures: 1 liter at 20°C and 4 liters at 40°C. The problem assumes total conservation of temperature and involves concepts related to heat transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of the equation q=mc∆t to analyze the heat transfer between the two bodies of water. There is discussion about the units involved and how they affect the calculations. Some participants attempt to reason through the problem and express confusion about the algebraic manipulation required to isolate the final temperature.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions and definitions related to specific heat capacity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the algebraic steps needed to rearrange the equation, but there is still uncertainty about the interpretation of variables and the final outcome.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the units of specific heat capacity and how they relate to the calculations. Participants express uncertainty about the algebraic process and the meaning of their results, indicating a need for clearer explanations of the underlying concepts.

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Homework Statement



What would be the final temp if you mixed 1 liter of 20°C water with 4 liters of 40°C water?

This question is very straightforward, and is, of course, assuming total conservation of temp.
(given mass m1 of water at a temperature T1 and mass m2 of water at T2, mix them together)

Homework Equations



My book mentions q=mc∆t, but using that equation, I get calories as the units. And this equation I barely know how to use.

The Attempt at a Solution



My guess is the answer is 38.75 °C, but I figured that by reasoning only, as I have no clue what equation to use. I wondered if it might be a proportions prob, but haven't gotten a logical answer that way. I know the answer has to be over 20°C but under 40°C.

I am very very confused, so a clear answer with an good explanation would be the best! Thanks very much!
 
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absolutezero said:
My book mentions q=mc∆t, but using that equation, I get calories as the units. And this equation I barely know how to use.
The answer depends on the units of 'c'

My guess is the answer is 38.75 °C,
Not a very good guess

I know the answer has to be over 20°C but under 40°C.
A good start

Using the equation above we know that energy q=mc∆t,
Imagine the final temperature is T, we have a change in temperature of (T-20) for the cold water and (40-T) for the hot water - note the way around for these since one is going up and one is going down - we end up with 5litres at T.

We don't need to know 'c' and we don't need to worry about the mass of 1litre because that is all going to cancel, and we don't care about the actual value of q.

q = 1 c (T-20) + 4 c (40-T) = 5 c T

All you have to do is rearrange to find T.
 
Thank you very much for replying! :smile: Please forgive me, as I understand only a speck of physics.

This makes sence:
The answer depends on the units of 'c'

What do you mean by this?
All you have to do is rearrange to find T.

Is it a matter of using the distributive property in algebra?

q = 1 c (T-20) + 4 c (40-T) = 5 c T
q = 1cT -20c + 80c -4cT = 5cT
q = 60c - 3ct = 5ct
q = 60c = 8ct
q = 7.5 = t

In one of my attempts to figure out the answer, I came up with 8, but assuming 8 is correct, what do I do with it? It's 8 what? 8 bananas? 8 oranges? Is something multiplied by a factor of 8? Or 1/8?

Is this even remotely in the right direction? (Knowing my luck, probably not. :redface: )

I am very sorry for my ignorance! :rolleyes: Thank you for your help! :smile:
 
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absolutezero said:
What do you mean by this?
C is the conversion between mass and temperature to energy, it's normally in J/kg/k but you could have it in calories/g/k if you like.

Is it a matter of using the distributive property in algebra?
Sorry I wasn't very clear.

The heat lost by the hot water in cooling from 40 -> T equals the heat gained by the cold water going from 20->T.

So: 1 c (T-20) = 4c(40-T)
Cancels the 'c' and rearrange
 
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