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The discussion revolves around the functional equation of the Riemann zeta function for Re(s) > 1, specifically focusing on the use of contour integrals and the behavior of integrals around singularities. Participants explore the conditions under which certain integrals vanish as epsilon approaches zero, and the mathematical justifications for these assertions.

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  • One participant questions the assertion that the integral on the circle vanishes as epsilon approaches zero, seeking clarification on the bounding estimate used in the proof.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the integral and discusses the behavior of the numerator and denominator, suggesting that the integrand can be bounded by a specific expression.
  • There is a discussion about the applicability of the ML estimate and its implications as epsilon approaches zero.
  • Questions arise regarding the interpretation of integrals evaluated at a single point and whether this is sufficient to conclude that the integral is zero.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which certain inequalities hold and how they relate to the vanishing of the integral.

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Participants express differing viewpoints on the validity of certain mathematical estimates and the implications of epsilon approaching zero. No consensus is reached regarding the sufficiency of arguments presented for the vanishing of the integral.

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Participants note that the behavior of the integrand and the conditions under which it is bounded depend on the specific values of Re(s) and the nature of the singularity at z=0. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying contour integration techniques in this context.

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Readers interested in complex analysis, particularly those studying contour integrals and the properties of the Riemann zeta function, may find this discussion relevant.

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hi,
i'm studying the functional equation of riemann zeta function for Re(s)>1;
my book(complex analysis by T. Gamelin) use contour integral in the proof, where the contour is taken on the usual 3 curves (real axis and a small circle [tex]C\epsilon[/tex] around the origin). I'm not able to figure why the integral on the circle vanish as epsilon->0; the text report:

since [tex]e^{z -1}[/tex] has a simple zero at z=0, the integrand is bounded on the circle |z|=r by C [tex]\epsilon^{re(s)-2}[/tex]

which is the estimate that the author use in this assertion?
i'm new to complex analysis and i want to say (if possible) what argument I've got to study
thanks

I.M.
 
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ilario980 said:
hi,
i'm studying the functional equation of riemann zeta function for Re(s)>1;
my book(complex analysis by T. Gamelin) use contour integral in the proof, where the contour is taken on the usual 3 curves (real axis and a small circle [tex]C\epsilon[/tex] around the origin). I'm not able to figure why the integral on the circle vanish as epsilon->0; the text report:

since [tex]e^{z -1}[/tex]

This appears to be a typo for [itex]{e^z}[/itex] - 1.

has a simple zero at z=0, the integrand

What's the integrand?

is bounded on the circle |z|=r by C [tex]\epsilon^{re(s)-2}[/tex]

which is the estimate that the author use in this assertion?
i'm new to complex analysis and i want to say (if possible) what argument I've got to study
thanks

I.M.
 
the integral that vanish is [tex]\frac{1}{2\pi i}\oint{\frac{(-z)^{s-1}}{e^{z}-1}dz}[/tex]taken on the circle |z|=epsilon as epsilon->0a little snapshot from Complex analysis by T. Gamelin:

http://ilario.mazzei.googlepages.com/Immagine.GIF
 
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OK, let's concentrate on estimating the integral

[tex] \frac{1}{2\pi i}\oint{\frac{(-z)^{s-1}}{e^{z}-1}dz}[/tex]

We want to show that the integrand is bounded by [itex]C\epsilon^{Re(s) - 2}[/itex], where C is a constant that doesn't depend on [itex]\epsilon[/itex].

The usual strategy for finding a bound on a fraction is to find an upper bound on the numerator and a lower bound on the denominator. I'll sketch the arguments, leaving it to you to fill in the details. Let me know if you want more details. I'll write [itex]s = \sigma + it[/itex]. First we consider the numerator:

[tex]|(-z)^{s-1}| = |exp((s - 1)log (-z))|<br /> <br /> = |exp((s - 1) (log |z| + i arg (-z)))|<br /> <br /> = |exp((\sigma - 1) + it)(log |z| + i arg (-z))|[/tex]

Now multiply out to show that this last expression equals

[tex]|z}|^{\sigma-1} exp(-t arg(z))[/tex]

and conclude that this expression is

[tex]\leq C_1\epsilon^{\sigma-1}[/tex]

for some constant [itex]C_1[/itex] independent of [itex]\epsilon[/itex].

Next we consider the denominator [itex]e^{z} - 1[/itex]:

Write [itex]f(z) = e^{z} - 1[/itex]. Since f(z) has a simple zero at z = 0, there exists a function g(z) such that

[tex]f(z) = zg(z)[/tex]

such that g is analytic and non-zero at z = 0. In fact, g is non-zero on some neighborhood of z = 0, which implies that g is nonzero on the circle |z| = [itex]\epsilon[/itex] for [itex]\epsilon[/itex] sufficiently small. (This is a standard result in complex analysis and should be in your book.)

Now use standard theorems about continuous functions on compact sets to conclude that there exists a constant [itex]C_2[/itex] such that g(z) > [itex]C_2[/itex] on |z| = [itex]\epsilon[/itex]. Therefore

[tex]|e^{z} - 1| > C_2|z|[/tex]

Finally, combine these inequalities to conclude that

[tex]\frac{|-z|^{s-1}}{|e^{z} - 1|} \leq C\epsilon^{s-2}[/tex]

for some constant C.

HTH

Petek
 
hi petek,
thanks for your reply.
i have some questions:

why we can't use the ML estimate? (since L->0 as espilon->0 )


Petek said:
Now multiply out to show that this last expression equals

[tex]|z}|^{\sigma-1} exp(-t arg(z))[/tex]

i've multiplied but at the end i have:

[tex]|z}|^{\sigma-1} exp(-t arg(-z)) exp(i (\sigma-1)arg(-z) + it log|z| )[/tex]


what I'm missing?



about the inequalities:


[tex]\frac{|-z|^{s-1}}{|e^{z} - 1|} \leq C\epsilon^{s-2}[/tex]


why this yields that the integral is less than [tex]C\epsilon^{s-1}[/tex]?



thanks


I.M.
 
ilario980 said:
hi petek,
thanks for your reply.
i have some questions:

why we can't use the ML estimate? (since L->0 as espilon->0 )

We will. See my reply to your last question.


i've multiplied but at the end i have:

[tex]|z}|^{\sigma-1} exp(-t arg(-z)) exp(i (\sigma-1)arg(-z) + it log|z| )[/tex]


what I'm missing?

The above expression should be enclosed in "absolute value" marks. Then note that if x is a real number,

[tex]|exp(ix)| = 1.[/tex]

about the inequalities:

[tex]\frac{|-z|^{s-1}}{|e^{z} - 1|} \leq C\epsilon^{s-2}[/tex]


why this yields that the integral is less than [tex]C\epsilon^{s-1}[/tex]?

Use the right side of this inequality as the M in the ML estimate. As you noted, L goes to zero.

thanks


I.M.

Please let me know if my replies are unclear or if you have any other questions.

Petek
 
hi Petek,
thank you very much for your help - very clear.

I have one more question:

if epsilon->0 the curve reduce to a point, and an every integral evaulated on a single point must be 0 since dz=0: this condition is not enough to proof that this curve integral is 0 (even if Re(s)<1)?I.M.
 
ilario980 said:
hi Petek,
thank you very much for your help - very clear.

I have one more question:

if epsilon->0 the curve reduce to a point, and an every integral evaulated on a single point must be 0 since dz=0: this condition is not enough to proof that this curve integral is 0 (even if Re(s)<1)?


I.M.

I'm not sure that I understand your argument. However, in general, there's a difference between epsilon approaching zero and letting epsilon equal zero.

Petek
 
the fabulous world of discontinuity :))

thank you very much.


Ilario M.
 

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