Help in a tube about a laser ray

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling the behavior of a laser ray within a tube that is open at both ends. Participants explore how to describe the movement of the laser, particularly focusing on reflections and absorption within the tube, which is intended to facilitate multiple reflections of the laser beam.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an equation to describe the movement of a laser ray in a tube that prevents it from exiting.
  • Another suggests researching "total internal reflection" as a relevant concept.
  • Clarification is provided that the tube is open at both ends, leading to further discussion about its structure.
  • A participant describes the tube as a hollow pipe and emphasizes the need for the laser beam to enter at an angle and reflect multiple times, similar to a black body absorbing light.
  • Discussion includes the importance of the material's absorption properties, noting that reflections will result in varying levels of absorption depending on the material and laser color.
  • A participant seeks to formulate an equation that allows the laser to reflect numerous times within the tube, exceeding its length.
  • Another participant compares the situation to reflections off two mirrors and provides a geometric approach to determine the angle of the laser for a desired number of reflections.
  • One participant expresses admiration for another's ability to translate ideas into mathematical formulas and seeks advice on improving their own skills.
  • A suggestion is made that practice, particularly in drawing and visualizing concepts, is essential for developing mathematical descriptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various ideas and approaches to the problem, with no clear consensus on a single method or equation. Multiple perspectives on how to model the laser's behavior and the factors influencing reflections and absorption remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the tube's material properties and the angle of incidence, which may affect the outcomes but are not fully explored. The mathematical steps for deriving the proposed equations are not completely detailed.

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i need a equation that discrip the movement of laser ray in the tube in a way that it won't get out
 
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google for "total internal reflection".
 
the tube is open from the both ends
 
Sounds like some sort of pipe that is hollow if it can be described as "open at both ends".
 
ok it is a tube long about 100 cm i want to make a laser beam enter the tube in an angle and reflect severl times in this tube like the black body...were the laser enter the body and reflect in it until it is complitly absorbed ...but instead of rectangel with one entrance ...a tube with two entrance
 
So you need to know how well the material absorbs the laser light.
At each reflection, some is absorbed, some transmitted, and some reflected.
Depending on the tube material and the color of the laser, the absorption could be 100% at the first contact to almost nothing. iirc: it does not depend on the angle of the incident beam so you are only concerned to get enough reflections to absorb a significant percentage of the photons in the length of the tube.
 
yes and i need to know how to write an equation that makes the light reflect so many time in the tube that will traverse in the tube more than its length for example 100 time
 
Its the same as reflecting off two mirrors.

Lets say you want to reflect N times, in a tube length L and diameter D.
Put your laser on-axis, but angled towards one side.

If N=1, you need to aim the laser so it just grazes the edge of the entrance and hits half way down. If N=2, it's the same but aimed a third of the way down and so on. So you are making N+1 isosceles triangles, with height D and base 2L/(N+1). The angle of attack is therefore given by:

[itex]\tan\theta = L/(N+1)D[/itex]

If you aim the beam well off-axis though, you can get more reflections spiraling around the outside. So you have quite a lot of freedom... the same sort of argument above can be used to find out how many reflections you get off-axis.The secret is to draw the picture.
 
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simon you are the man...i want to be like you ...i can't transform my ideas into mathematical formulas ...what should i read or do to become like you
 
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Lots of practise - drawing mostly.
Math is a language - you use almost the same way... picture what you want, draw it, turn it over in your mind and when you can feel it, describe it in math.

Turning words into a picture is usually the slow part.
Look how long it took to get the right picture of what you wanted.
 

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