Help: Kinetic Energy and Friction - A block pulled by another on a pulley

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving kinetic energy and friction in a system with two blocks connected by a pulley. The original poster describes the setup, including the masses, initial velocities, and coefficients of friction, and poses a question about the final speed of one block after a certain distance has been traveled by the other block.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the blocks, including gravitational force and friction. One participant attempts to calculate work done and kinetic friction, while another questions the assumption regarding the force exerted by the second mass, suggesting that the masses are accelerating and that tension in the rope needs to be considered.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to account for tension in the rope, indicating a potential direction for further analysis.

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Help: Kinetic Energy and Friction -- A block pulled by another on a pulley

In the system the following diagram shows, the block M (mass of 15.65 kg) is initially moving to the left with a speed of 2.26 m/s. The mass of m is 8.26 kg and the coefficients of friction are μs = 0.411 and μk = 0.304. The string is massless and the pulley is massless and frictionless. How fast (m/s) will M be traveling when m has fallen through a height h=2.47 meters?

diagram: http://ce.byu.edu/courses/univ/694820121008/media/8_problem_blockmass.jpg
 
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Well, what do you think? What have you done so far?
 


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The pulley makes it so that the second mass exerts a force purely in the x direction, not affecting the normal force. I used left (or down, for the second mass), as the positive direction.
The force exerted by mass m is equal to its mass times gravity, and delta-x equals 2.47 as provided in the problem. Therefore,
W = F * delta-x = (8.26)(9.8)(2.47) = 199.942

The normal force is equal to the weight of mass M, so the force of kinetic friction:
fk = m*g*μk = (15.65)(9.8)(0.304) = 46.6245

Using the following equation, then plugging in the values:
0.5*m*vf^2 = 0.5*m*vf^2 - fk*d + W
0.5*15.65*vf^2 = 0.5*15.65*2.26^2 - 46.6245*2.47 + 199.942

This give vf = 3.993 m/s, while the correct response is 3.49 m/s.
 


aarno said:
The force exerted by mass m is equal to its mass times gravity,
That's incorrect. Note that the masses are accelerating. You'll have to solve for the tension in the rope.
 

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