Mechanical energy of frictionless pulley

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The discussion centers on calculating the final velocity of a block (M) in a frictionless pulley system after a mass (m) has fallen a height of 2.47 meters. The mass of M is 15.65 kg, and the mass of m is 8.26 kg, with kinetic and potential energy equations applied. The correct final velocity is approximately 4.31 m/s when using g = 9.81 m/s². Key errors identified include incorrect energy balance and misapplication of forces in the calculations.

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  • Understanding of kinetic and potential energy equations (K = 1/2mv², U = mgy)
  • Familiarity with the concepts of friction coefficients (μs and μk)
  • Basic knowledge of Newton's laws of motion
  • Ability to analyze energy conservation in mechanical systems
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  • Study the effects of friction in pulley systems
  • Learn about tension forces in connected mass systems
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Homework Statement


In the system shown, the block M (mass of 15.65 kg) is initially moving to the left with a speed of 3.4 m/s The mass of m is 8.26 kg and the coefficients of friction are μs=0.411 and μk=0.304. The string is massless and the pulley is massless and frictionless. How fast will M be traveling when m has fallen through a height h=2.47 meters?

diagram: http://is.byu.edu/courses/univ/694820121008/media/8_problem_blockmass.jpg

Homework Equations


Ef - Ei = Kf - Ki + Uf - Ui = -fkd + ∑ W_otherforces

K = 1/2mv^2
U=mgy

The Attempt at a Solution


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Since M does not have any change in potential energy, but it is acted on by a tension force, I got

Ef - Ei = 1/2mvf2 - 1/2mvi2 = -fkd + T
where fkd = μkMgd and T = (( μk+1)Mg)/(1+M/m)

I solve for vf but keep getting the wrong answer. The answer should be about 4.32 m/s
What am I doing wrong?
 
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Hello DNS, welcome to PF :smile: !

I looks like you are adding an energy (fkd) to a force (T) That can't be !

It also looks like your change in kinetic energy doesn't depend on M, which is very strange.

Finally, your energy balance should also have a term Uf - Ui which I miss in your solution attempt.

If you show your work, step by step, I may be able to answer your question. With the information you provide now it's impossible.

(And I do get 4.31 m/s if I use g = 9.81 m/s2 )
 

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