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The discussion revolves around the logical concepts of negation and contrapositive in the context of the statement "if x is odd and x is a multiple of 3, then x ≥ 6." Participants are attempting to derive the contrapositive and negation of this statement, exploring the definitions and implications involved.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their attempts at finding the contrapositive and negation but expresses uncertainty about their correctness.
  • Another participant requests definitions of negation and contrapositive to clarify the terms used in the problem.
  • A participant explains that for an implication p ==> q, the contrapositive is ~q ==> ~p and encourages others to identify the statements represented by ~q.
  • There is a discussion about the negation of an implication, with references to deMorgan's Laws and the equivalence of expressions.
  • Participants clarify the definitions of p and q in the context of the problem, with some correcting earlier statements regarding logical expressions.
  • One participant proposes a contrapositive and negation based on their understanding, while another challenges the correctness of their logic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct forms of the contrapositive and negation, with multiple interpretations and corrections being suggested throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of negation and contrapositive as applied to the specific statement, as well as potential misunderstandings of logical expressions among participants.

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Homework Statement



Consider the statement "if x is odd and x is a multiple of 3, then x ≥ 6." write down the contrapositive and negation of this statement?

2. The attempt at a solution

This is what I worked our as an answer but I am pretty sure it's wrong.

Contrapositive

"if x ≤ 6, then x is even OR x is not a multiple of 3"

Negation

"if x is even OR x is not a multiple of 3, then x ≤ 6"
 
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Tek1Atom said:

Homework Statement



Consider the statement "if x is odd and x is a multiple of 3, then x ≥ 6." write down the contrapositive and negation of this statement?

2. The attempt at a solution

This is what I worked our as an answer but I am pretty sure it's wrong.

Contrapositive

"if x ≤ 6, then x is even OR x is not a multiple of 3"

Negation

"if x is even OR x is not a multiple of 3, then x ≤ 6"

Welcome to the PF.

Can you please define the two terms in the context of this problem. What are your book's definition of Negation and Copntrapositive?
 
Tek1Atom, you are close on the contrapositive. For the implication p ==> q, the contrapositive is ~q ==> ~p.

In your problem, q is the statement "x <= 6" What statement is represented by ~q?
Edit: Fixed error.
For the negation of an implication p ==> q, it might be helpful to note that (p ==> q) <==> (~p v q). So the negation of p ==> q (that is, ~(p ==> q)) is equivalent to the negation of (~p v q) (that is, ~(~p v q)). This last expression can be simplified by using deMorgan's Laws.
 
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Thanks Mark44, as you are aware, there are two variables in this statement so it is quite tricky for me to answer at this point in time, I am pretty new to logic, what would the answer to this question be written down in English?
 
p: x is odd and x is a multiple of 3
q: x >= 6
Edit: Fixed error.
For the negation of p ==> q, you can instead work with the negation of ~p v q; i.e., ~(~p v q). You'll want to simplify this last expression using deMorgan's Law.

You're going to have to work this out yourself, since the rules of this forum expressly prohibit giving the answers to questions. I have defined statements p and q above, based on your problem, so work with the symbols and plug in the appropriate statements to get your answer in English.
 
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Mark44 said:
For the negation of an implication p ==> q, it might be helpful to note that (p ==> q) <==> (p v ~q).
Shouldn't that be (~p v q)? The implication is only false when p is true and q is false.
 
Yes, you're right. I edited the two posts with this error.
 
Would this be correct?

p: x is odd and is a multiple of 3
q: x ≥ 6
~p: x is even and x is not a multiple of 3
~q: x ≤ 6

so

Contrapositive

if x ≤ 6, then x is even and x is not a multiple of 3

Negation

x is even and x is not a multiple of 3, therefore x ≤ 6
 
Tek1Atom said:
Would this be correct?

p: x is odd and is a multiple of 3
q: x ≥ 6
~p: x is even and x is not a multiple of 3
Almost. ~(Q ^ R) <==> ~Q V ~R
Here ^ means "and", V means "or".
Tek1Atom said:
~q: x ≤ 6
If x = 6, then you have both p and ~p being true, which can't possibly happen.
Tek1Atom said:
so

Contrapositive

if x ≤ 6, then x is even and x is not a multiple of 3

Negation

x is even and x is not a multiple of 3, therefore x ≤ 6
 

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