Help understanding equation involving a partial derivative

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The discussion centers around understanding an equation involving a partial derivative, specifically in the context of deriving the Taylor expansion formula in two variables. Participants explore the relationship between the equation and concepts such as the mean value theorem and tangent line approximations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the origin of the equation f(x + Δx,y) = f(x,y) + ∂f(x,y)/∂x*Δx and its relation to the Taylor expansion.
  • One participant suggests that the equation is an approximation and emphasizes the importance of sketching the surface z = f(x, y) to visualize the points involved.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between the approximation of f(x_0 + Δx) and the derivative of a function of one variable, providing an example with f(x) = √x.
  • Some participants note that the tangent line approximation may overestimate or underestimate the actual function value depending on the concavity of the surface.
  • A later reply mentions that the equation assumes only x varies, implying that both x and y would need to be considered in a more general case.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the equation's derivation or its implications. Multiple viewpoints regarding the approximation and its application remain present throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight the need for further exploration of the assumptions underlying the equation, particularly regarding the conditions under which the approximation holds true.

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Mod note: Moved from a homework section
1. Homework Statement

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Homework Equations


f(x + Δx,y) = f(x,y) + ∂f(x,y)/∂x*Δx

The Attempt at a Solution


Sorry this isn't really homework. We were given this equation today in order to derive the Taylor expansion formula in two variables and I'm not sure where it came from.It seems similar to the mean value theorem.

any help would be appreciated
 
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Woolyabyss said:
Mod note: Moved from a homework section
1. Homework Statement

N/A

Homework Equations


f(x + Δx,y) = f(x,y) + ∂f(x,y)/∂x*Δx

The Attempt at a Solution


Sorry this isn't really homework. We were given this equation today in order to derive the Taylor expansion formula in two variables and I'm not sure where it came from.It seems similar to the mean value theorem.

any help would be appreciated
It's helpful to sketch the surface z = f(x, y), showing the points ##(x_0, y_0, f(x_0, y_0))## and ##(x_0 + \Delta x, y_0, f(x_0 + \Delta x, y_0))##. The formula above should really be ##f(x_0 + \Delta a, y_0) \approx f(x_0, y_0) + \frac{\partial f(x, y)}{\partial x}|_{(x_0, y_0)} \Delta x##, since the right side is only an approximation to the left side.

What's happening here is that the expression on the right side gives the approximate function value using the line that is tangent to the surface z = f(x,y) at ##(x_0, y_0, z_0)## (with ##z_0 = f(x_0, y_0)##), along a direction parallel to the x-axis. The value that is produced might be smaller than the actual function value on the surface, or it might be larger, depending on whether the surface is concave up or concave down, respectively, near the point ##(x_0, y_0, z_0)##.
 
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Mark44 said:
It's helpful to sketch the surface z = f(x, y), showing the points ##(x_0, y_0, f(x_0, y_0))## and ##(x_0 + \Delta x, y_0, f(x_0 + \Delta x, y_0))##. The formula above should really be ##f(x_0 + \Delta a, y_0) \approx f(x_0, y_0) + \frac{\partial f(x, y)}{\partial x}|_{(x_0, y_0)} \Delta x##, since the right side is only an approximation to the left side.

What's happening here is that the expression on the right side gives the approximate function value using the line that is tangent to the surface z = f(x,y) at ##(x_0, y_0, z_0)## (with ##z_0 = f(x_0, y_0)##), along a direction parallel to the x-axis. The value that is produced might be smaller than the actual function value on the surface, or it might be larger, depending on whether the surface is concave up or concave down, respectively, near the point ##(x_0, y_0, z_0)##.

Thanks for the reply. I'm still unsure about how the line to the tangent of the surface can be used to approximate the function in the example given.
 
Woolyabyss said:
Thanks for the reply. I'm still unsure about how the line to the tangent of the surface can be used to approximate the function in the example given.
In pretty much the same way that ##f(x_0 + \Delta x)## can be approximated by ##f(x_0) + f'(x_0) \Delta x##. It's really the same idea. Here's an example using a function of one variable.
Let ##f(x) = \sqrt{x}##. Approximate ##\sqrt{4.1}##
Here x0 = 4, f(x0) = 2, and ##\Delta x = .1##
##\sqrt{4.1} = f(x_0 + \Delta x) \approx f(x_0) + f'(x_0) \Delta x = 2 + \frac{1}{2\sqrt{4}} .1 = 2.025##
So ##\sqrt{4.1} \approx 2.025##.
Compare this answer with what I get from a calculator, approximately 2.02484567.

My answer overestimates the actual answer because the tangent line approximation gives me a number that is above the curve ##y = \sqrt{x}##.
 
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Mod note: Moved from a homework section
1. Homework Statement

N/A

Homework Equations


f(x + Δx,y) = f(x,y) + ∂f(x,y)/∂x*Δx

The Attempt at a Solution


Sorry this isn't really homework. We were given this equation today in order to derive the Taylor expansion formula in two variables and I'm not sure where it came from.It seems similar to the mean value theorem.

any help would be appreciated

Last term is Δf (lim as → 0 bla bla). Take first RHS term to LHS and you see nothing but your first ever formula in beginning calculus.

They're assuming here only x varies and they must soon get to x and y both vary in which case they'd have to add a + ∂f/∂y*Δy
 

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