Help with Chain Rule: Solve Complex Math Problems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in calculus, specifically in solving complex mathematical problems involving partial derivatives. Participants seek assistance in understanding and correctly applying the chain rule to their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in applying the chain rule to a complex problem and requests help.
  • Another participant suggests expanding the partial derivatives using the chain rule and indicates that certain terms will cancel out in the process.
  • A different participant challenges the approach taken by the previous contributor, emphasizing the need to square the entire right side of the equation rather than individual terms, providing a detailed example of the correct expansion.
  • A participant acknowledges the help received with a simple thank you.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the correct method to apply the chain rule, as one participant challenges another's approach, indicating that multiple views on the correct application exist.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the participants' familiarity with calculus concepts, and there may be unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed solutions.

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i know chain rule but it more complicated i can't go far with it please any help ??
 
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Hello and welcome to MHB, hossam killua! :D

I have moved your thread to our Calculus sub-forum as it is a better fit since this is a calculus question. I have also embedded your image using the IMG tags so that people will not have to follow a link to see it.
 
Hello hossam killua!

Here's how I'd approach it. First I'd expand the partial derivatives $\pd{z}{u}$ and $\pd{z}{v}$ using the chain rule. From there you can find ${\left(\pd{z}{v}\right)}^{2}$ and ${\left(\pd{z}{u}\right)}^{2}$.
When you add them together and sub in the known partials you should get some cancelling out and then the result.

Let me know how you go.
 


my solution
 
I think there's a mistake in your expanding. You must remember to square the entire right side of the equation, not the individual terms.

eg.$\left(\pd{z}{u}\right)^2=\left(\pd{z}{x}\cos\left({\alpha}\right)+\pd{z}{y}\sin\left({\alpha}\right)\right)^2=\pd{z}{x}^2\cos^2{\alpha}+2\pd{z}{x}\pd{z}{y}\cos\alpha\sin\alpha+\pd{z}{y}^2\sin^2{\alpha} $

And then complete that for the other partial, add, and you should pretty much have it.
 
thank u
 

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