Help with English units. Specific Heat

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion of specific heat units for oxygen from \(\frac{Btu}{lbmol*R}\) to \(\frac{Btu}{lbm}\). Participants explore the implications of using Rankine in the calculations and clarify the definitions and dimensions of the units involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the specific heat of oxygen and expresses difficulty in converting units from \(\frac{Btu}{lbmol*R}\) to \(\frac{Btu}{lbm}\).
  • Another participant questions the dimensions of Rankine and its relation to other temperature scales, such as Fahrenheit.
  • A later reply suggests that the Rankine may refer to the universal gas constant rather than a temperature scale, indicating a need for clarification.
  • One participant points out that the problem statement lacks clarity regarding the expected units for the answer, emphasizing that specific heat should have units of energy per unit mass per degree temperature.
  • Another participant acknowledges a misunderstanding about the units, realizing that the values discussed pertain to specific heat rather than enthalpy.
  • A participant confirms that the units for specific heat are indeed correct and clarifies the relationship between specific heat and enthalpy in terms of units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity of the problem statement and the correct interpretation of units. There is no consensus on the role of Rankine in the calculations, and some participants remain uncertain about the dimensions associated with the temperature scales discussed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of specific heat and enthalpy, as well as the role of Rankine in the unit conversions. The discussion reflects various interpretations and assumptions that have not been fully resolved.

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Homework Statement



I have a problem that I've mostly solved using Ideal-gas specific heats for Oxygen. It has the form C_p = a + bT + cT^2 + dT^3

I am supposed to give the answer in English units of \frac{Btu}{lbm}, but I am having some difficulties in my conversion.


Homework Equations



C_p = a + bT + cT^2 + dT^3


The Attempt at a Solution



After integrating to solve above I have the answer of 5442.3\frac{Btu}{lbmol*R}. These units are given to me via my property tables booklet.

In trying to convert 5442.3\frac{Btu}{lbmol*R} to \frac{Btu}{lbm} I am using the fact that Oxygen has a molar mass of 31.999\frac{lbm}{lbmol}.

Using this conversion factor I get \frac{5442.3\frac{Btu}{lbmol*R}}{31.999\frac{lbm}{lbmol}}=170.1\frac{Btu}{lbm*R}

I am getting the extra factor of Rankine in the denominator. My instructor has a solution video she's presented, and she doesn't even use the R in the original units from the property tables booklet, but it clearly shows it.

Any clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mac
 
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What are the dimensions of the Rankine?
 
Now I'm realizing that R may be the universal gas constant, not Rankine... Have to look at this in the morning when I have a brain.

Insight is definitely still welcome.
 
Your problem statement is not clear. You are supposed to give what answer in units of BTU/lbm? Those are the units of enthalpy or internal energy. Specific heat has units of Energy/unit mass/deg. Temp. The universal gas constant would not be incorporated into the units, anyway.
 
SteamKing said:
Your problem statement is not clear. You are supposed to give what answer in units of BTU/lbm? Those are the units of enthalpy or internal energy. Specific heat has units of Energy/unit mass/deg. Temp. The universal gas constant would not be incorporated into the units, anyway.

Yes, I apologize for being vague. It was a late night for me.

The question reads like this.

Determine the enthalpy change of \Delta{h} of oxygen, in Btu/lbm, as it is heated from 800 to 1500 R, using the empirical specific heat equation as a function of temperature

Using this empirical heat equation, \int_{800}^{1500}(a+bT+cT^2+cT^3)dT, I came up with the previous mentioned answer of 5442.3. The a, b, c, and d values were provided for me in my property tables booklet, and the solution of 5442.3 is verified from the instructors solutions. I believe the basic form of this is \int{C_p(T)}dT.

My property tables book reads like this

C_p = a + bT + cT^2 + dT^3
(T in R, C_p in Btu/lbmol * R)


This is where I was assuming my units for 5442.3\frac{Btu}{lbmol*R}

Hopefully this clarified my dilemma.

Thanks again,
Mac
 
Ah, I had a Eureka moment.

Those are the units for Specific heat, not the solution of enthalpy.

$$C_pT=\frac{Btu}{lbmol*R}*R=\frac{Btu}{lbmol}$$

Thanks all,
Mac
 
With no dimensions, the Rankine is a scale factor isn't it?
Oh you got there... well done ;)
 

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