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The discussion revolves around a set of geometry questions related to vectors, specifically focusing on finding equations of planes, direction vectors, and properties of triangles formed by vectors. Participants seek assistance with various parts of the problem, including conceptual understanding and calculations.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty with geometry questions and has only completed part (i), suggesting they found the answer to be (E).
  • Hints are provided for part (ii), indicating that the plane is the perpendicular bisector of the line segment AB.
  • For part (iii), another participant suggests using the cross product of vectors to find the area of the triangle formed by points O, A, and B, noting the relationship between the area of the triangle and the parallelogram.
  • A participant calculates the midpoint and direction vector for part (ii), deriving the equation of the plane and concluding with answer (B). They question the method of determining the direction vector.
  • For part (iv), one participant proposes a solution involving the distances from point P to points A and B, questioning if their answer is correct or if they have made an error.
  • Another participant confirms the calculation for part (v) and suggests that the answer is (C), while also addressing part (iv) and noting that their derived point does not lie on the line segment AB.
  • One participant provides a straightforward calculation for part (i), indicating the answer is -9.

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Participants express varying degrees of confidence in their answers, with some providing hints and others questioning their own calculations. There is no consensus on the correctness of the answers for parts (iv) and (v), and multiple interpretations of the problems are present.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of their derived points, particularly regarding the geometric relationships between points A, B, and P. There are unresolved questions about the method of finding direction vectors and the conditions under which certain points lie on line segments.

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I would appreciate any help with this questions because I truly horrid at geometry questions.

I've only done (i) to which I've found the answer to be (E). I can't do from from part (ii) on.
 

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A couple of hints to get you started:

For (ii), this plane is the perpendicular bisector of the line $AB$.

For (iii), use the cross product $\mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b}$. This has magnitude $|\mathbf{a}|\,|\mathbf{b}|\sin\theta$, where $\theta$ is the angle between $OA$ and $OB$.
 
Opalg said:
A couple of hints to get you started:

For (ii), this plane is the perpendicular bisector of the line $AB$.

For (iii), use the cross product $\mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b}$. This has magnitude $|\mathbf{a}|\,|\mathbf{b}|\sin\theta$, where $\theta$ is the angle between $OA$ and $OB$.
Thank you.

The midpoint between the two points will be a point on the plane. This point is $\left(\frac{4-2}{2}, \frac{1+7}{2}, \frac{4-2}{2} \right) = (1,4,1)$.

The direction vector between the two points, which is also a normal to the plane, is $(-2-4, 7-1, 4+6) = (-6, 6, 6)$

The general equation for a plane is $\mathbf{n} \cdot <x-x_0, y-y_0, z-z_0> =0 $, we have $\mathbf{n} = (-6,6,6)$ and $(x_0, y_0, z_0) =(1,4,1)$

So we have $<1,4,1><-6, 6, 6> = 0 \implies x-y-z = -4$ and so the answer is (B).

I just have a question that's due to my ignorance. I calculated the direction vector as the difference $\mathbf{b}-\mathbf{a}$. But how do we know which to subtract from which vector when finding the direction vector? I imagine I would have got a different answer if I calculated the direction vector as $\mathbf{a}-\mathbf{b}$.
 
For (iii) we have $\mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b} = (18, -12, 30) \implies ||\mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b}|| = \sqrt{1368} \implies \frac{1}{2}||\mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b}|| = \sqrt{342} \implies \triangle ^2 = 342$.

The reason being the area of the triangle is half the area of the parallelogram formed which is $||\mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b}||$. (Happy)

So the answer to $(iii)$ is $(A)$. If anyone could give me a hint or suggestion for part $(iv)$ I'd appreciate it.
 
For $(v)$ we have $ (\mathbf{a}-\mathbf{b}) \cdot \mathbf{w}(t) = 0 \implies <6,-6,-6><2, t, 1> = 0\implies 6t = 6 \implies t = 1$, so the answer to (v) is $(C)$.

For $(iv)$ let $P = (a, b, c)$ now $|PA| = 2|PB| \iff [(4,1,2)-(a, b, c)] = 2[(-2,7,4) -(a, b, c)] \iff (a, b, c) = (-8, 13, 10).$

So is the answer to $(iv) ~(F)$ none of these, or am I getting something wrong (more likely)? Only this remains now! (Happy)
 
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For $(v)$ we have $ (\mathbf{a}-\mathbf{b}) \cdot \mathbf{w}(t) = 0 \implies <6,-6,-6><2, t, 1> = 0\implies 6t = 6 \implies t = 1$, so the answer to (v) is $(C)$.

For $(iv)$ let $P = (a, b, c)$ now $|PA| = 2|PB| \iff [(4,1,2)-(a, b, c)] = 2[(-2,7,4) -(a, b, c)] \iff (a, b, c) = (-8, 13, 10).$

So is the answer to $(iv) ~(F)$ none of these, or am I getting something wrong (more likely)? Only this remains now! (Happy)
For (iv), $P$ is two-thirds of the way from $A$ to $B$. So its position vector will be $\frac23\mathbf{b} + \frac13\mathbf{a}.$ Your answer $(-8,13,10)$ satisfies the condition $|PA| = 2|PB|$, but it does not lie on the line segment $AB$. In fact is lies beyond $B$, in the opposite direction from $A$.
 
Part (i) should be easy; 4(-2) + 1(7) + -2(4) = -9.
 

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