Help With Heisenberg's Energy-Time Uncertainty Principle

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The discussion revolves around Heisenberg's energy-time uncertainty principle, specifically focusing on calculating the uncertainty in energy (ΔE) given a time interval (Δt). Participants are exploring the implications of the principle and the calculations involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate ΔE using various values for Δt and questioning the accuracy of their calculations. Some are discussing potential errors in their numerical inputs and conversions, while others are reflecting on the nature of the uncertainty principle itself.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on the calculations and questioning the assumptions made regarding time units and the constants used. There is no explicit consensus, but several participants are engaging with the calculations and offering insights into potential errors.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the conversion of time units from years to seconds, with some participants suggesting different approaches to this conversion. The nature of the uncertainty principle is also being examined, particularly regarding the significance of the calculated values.

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Homework Statement
What is the maximum theoretical accuracy ΔE to which an ideal experiment may
determine the energy levels of the hydrogen atom? (Hint: Use the fact that the age of the universe is estimated to be approximately 1.4e10 years)
Options:
(a) 4.7e-26 eV
(b) 9.4e-33 eV
(c) 1.2e-63 eV
(d) 2.4e-70 eV
Relevant Equations
ΔEΔt = ћ/2
So according to Heisenberg's energy-time uncertainty principle, the product of accuracies in energy and time is equal to ћ/2.
In this problem, I know I have to calculate ΔE. But when I'm using Δt = 1.4e10 yrs. = 4.41e17 s, I am getting ΔE = 0.743e-33 eV, which is certainly incorrect!
Where am I doing mistake? Please help!
 
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This question basically asks you to put some meaningless numbers into a calculator and get a meaningless number out. And you've got a meaningless number not on the list?

You must have pressed the wrong buttons on you calculator, I guess.
 
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tanaygupta2000 said:
I'm using Δt = 1.4e10 yrs. = 4.41e17 s
That part at least would look to be incorrect. I get the 4.41 part but a different exponent... (and actually 4.42 since there are 365.25 days/year)
 
Just for the sake of playing with my calculator, I used h instead of hbar/2. With this choice, I found answer (b)
 
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Gordianus said:
Just for the sake of playing with my calculator, I used h instead of hbar/2. With this choice, I found answer (b)
Um, how about the earlier time units conversion? Did you use his number or your own?
 
1.4e10 years*(365.25 days/year)*(86400 seconds/day)
 
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tanaygupta2000 said:
I am getting ΔE = 0.743e-33 eV, which is certainly incorrect!
How can you be so certain when the Uncertainty Principle is involved? The UP is only an order of magnitude estimate. As far as order of magnitude is concerned, answer (b) is spot on.
 
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Gordianus said:
π×1.4e10 years*(365.25 days/year)*(86400 seconds/day)
A decent mnemonic for back-of-the-envelope calculations is 1 year = π × 107 s. It is an underestimate by about 1.7 days.
 

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