Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle - find minimum uncertainty in position

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The discussion revolves around the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, specifically focusing on calculating the minimum uncertainty in the position of a football given its speed and uncertainty in speed. The problem involves understanding the relationship between position and velocity uncertainties in a quantum context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the uncertainty principle using the formula dx ≥ h/(4∏mdu). Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the given uncertainty in velocity and how to derive the appropriate value for du. There is also discussion about unit conversions and the relevance of actual velocity in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the interpretation of uncertainty in velocity, emphasizing that it is given directly in the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of calculations related to the uncertainty in position, with some participants confirming their approaches and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using SI units for consistency in calculations. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the conversion of uncertainty expressed in millimeters per second to meters.

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Homework Statement



Assume speed of 435g football is known with 1mm/s uncertainty.
What is the minimum uncertainty in its position?

Homework Equations



I'm not quite sure... I know p=mv, and I know that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that certain parameters of quantum particles cannot be measured/known at the same time without uncertainty.

When I did a previous example, I used the formula:

dx ≥ h/(4∏mdu)
where dx = uncertainty in position
h = Plancks constant
m = mass in kg
du = uncertainty in velocity


The Attempt at a Solution



Well I was trying to do it using the formula given above, but there are a couple of things I don't understand.
i) How do I find du?
I previously found du by multiplying the speed (given in question) by the uncertainty, which was in percentage form.
How do I find du now? I'm not actually GIVEN a speed, and I don't quite know what to make of "1mm/s uncertainty." Is that 0.001%, which would be 0.00001, or...?

Thanks :)
 
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daleklama said:

Homework Statement



Assume speed of 435g football is known with 1mm/s uncertainty.
What is the minimum uncertainty in its position?

Homework Equations



I'm not quite sure... I know p=mv, and I know that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that certain parameters of quantum particles cannot be measured/known at the same time without uncertainty.

When I did a previous example, I used the formula:

dx ≥ h/(4∏mdu)
where dx = uncertainty in position
h = Plancks constant
m = mass in kg
du = uncertainty in velocity

The Attempt at a Solution



Well I was trying to do it using the formula given above, but there are a couple of things I don't understand.
i) How do I find du?
I previously found du by multiplying the speed (given in question) by the uncertainty, which was in percentage form.
How do I find du now? I'm not actually GIVEN a speed, and I don't quite know what to make of "1mm/s uncertainty." Is that 0.001%, which would be 0.00001, or...?

Thanks :)

The uncertainty appearing in the uncertainty principle is always a quantity with units of position or speed, not a dimensionless ratio (or percentage) of quantities. In this case, the uncertainty in the velocity is given to you directly in the problem. The actual velocity is irrelevant for the application of the uncertainty principle, in cases where you know the uncertainty directly. The actual velocity is only relevant when you use it to infer what the uncertainty in the velocity must be (e.g. if you are a given a problem that says "the velocity of the football is measured to be 10.000 m/s -- in which case you are being indirectly told the uncertainty in that measurement).
 
Okay, I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but in that case, would the following be a correct calculation?

dx ≥ h/(4∏mdu)
where dx = uncertainty in position
h = Plancks constant
m = mass in kg
du = uncertainty in velocity

dx ≥ (6.626e-34)/(4∏(0.435)(0.001)
dx ≥ 1.21e-31 m


I used 0.001 as the uncertainty because it's given as 1 mm/s, and I felt I should convert that to metres?

Thanks very much for reply :)
 
Yes, this is fine. Certainly you do want to have the velocity uncertainty in SI units if your other units will be too.
 
Thank you :)
 

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