Help with Induction Proofs for Beginners

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The discussion revolves around understanding and applying mathematical induction, specifically addressing two problems related to divisibility and factorial sums. Participants are seeking clarification on the methodology and correctness of their approaches to these proofs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding induction and seeks help with specific problems, indicating a struggle with the conceptual aspects of the proof method.
  • Another participant questions the reasoning behind factoring out (n+1)^3, suggesting that the philosophy of induction involves relating statements rather than manipulating them in that way.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of expanding (n+1)^3 + 2(n+1) correctly and suggest that the participant should focus on the algebraic manipulation rather than incorrect assumptions.
  • One participant attempts to provide a proof for the first problem but makes several algebraic errors, leading to corrections from others regarding the binomial expansion and the handling of terms.
  • Another participant critiques the algebraic reasoning presented, pointing out specific mistakes in the expansion and simplification processes, indicating a lack of understanding of basic algebraic principles.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial proof attempts. There are multiple competing views regarding the proper application of induction and algebraic manipulation, with some participants correcting others' misunderstandings without resolving the overall confusion.

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Limitations include unresolved algebraic steps and misunderstandings of the binomial theorem, which affect the clarity of the induction proofs being discussed.

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Hi all, been struggling with my course material regarding Induction. My prof is really not great at explaining this proof method. I don't know what the learning curve or expectations here are like but I'm really struggling with this conceptually.

Any assistance with these problems would be much appreciated:

1. Prove that 3 divides n^3+2n whenever n is a positive integer.
I know I can't use a summation progression so how do I solve this induction?
(n+1)^3+2(n+1) is the next step but I get lost when I try to factor out the (n+1)^3
This is as far as I can take this one.

2. Prove that 1x1! + 2x2! + ... + nxn! = (n+1)!-1
Let P(n) be 1x1!+…+nxn!=(n+1)!-1
Basis Step: 1 x 1! = (1+1)!+1
1 = 1
Therefore our basis step is true.
Inductive Step: We know that P(n) is true thus we must prove P(n+1)
1x1!+…+nxn!+((n+1)(n+1)!)=[ 1x1!+…+nxn! ] + ((n+1)(n+1)!)
1x1!+…+nxn!+((n+1)(n+1)!)= [(n+1)!-1]+((n+1)(n+1)!)
1x1!+…+nxn!+((n+1)(n+1)!)= ((n+1)(n+1)!)

I believe this one is solved however I'm not sure if I must take it further?
 
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1. Why are you factoring out (n+1)^3? You can't.

The philosophy of induction is to relate one statement to previous ones.

So, given (n+1)^3 + 2(n+1) and n^3+2n, what have you tried to do with both?
 
matt grime said:
1. Why are you factoring out (n+1)^3? You can't.

The philosophy of induction is to relate one statement to previous ones.

So, given (n+1)^3 + 2(n+1) and n^3+2n, what have you tried to do with both?

Tried to divide both by 3 in order to redue the formula to a positive integer. Yet I still don't understand how to write or show this?
 
Divide both sides of what by 3?

Do the only possible thing that you can do. Expand (n+1)^3+2(n+1). Then think.
 
Ok I think I got it, the expansion is a little messy but here goes :
Prove that 3|n^3+2n whenever n is a positive integer.
Basis Step: 1^3+2(1)/3 = 3/3 = 1 then we know that the first step in the formula is true.
Inductive Step: 3|(n+1)^3+2(n+1) If both terms are multiples of 3 then they are divisible by 3 so:
3|(n+1)^3+2(n+1)- (n^3+2n)

Expand
(n+1)^3
(n+1)^2(n+1)
(n^2+n+1)n+(n^2+n+1)1
n^3+n^2+n+n^2+n+1
n^3+2n^2+2n+1
Insert back into equation
n^3+2n^2+2n+1+2n+2
Subtract Original formula
n^3+2n^2+4n+3 - (n^3+2n)
2n^2+2n+3
(2n)(2n)+2n+3
4n+2n+3
6n+3

Since the values are multiples of 3 the formula is divisible by 3 thus 3|(n+1)^3+2(n+1) is true.

Right?
 
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You made a mistake, by the binominal formula: (K+1)^3 = K^3 +3K^2+3K+1. (It is always true that if the power is a prime, (a+b)^p = a^p+b^p +p(middle terms).

We start with Basis: let n=1, 1^3+2(1) = 3.

If true for K, (K+1)^3 +2(K+1) = [k^3+2K] +3K^2+3K+1 +2 . The first part is divisible by 3 by the induction hypothesis and the second is 3K^2+3K+3, all terms divisible.
 
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As robert says, you don't have the correct binomial expansion. Plus you also write something that implies you think 2n^2=(2n)(2n)=4n which is also not true in two different ways.
 
I got a bad feeling whn you declared "My prof is really not great at explaining this proof method." Now I see I was right. Your problem is not induction-your prof seems to have taught you that well. Your problem is algebra:
(n+1)^3
(n+1)^2(n+1) yes
(n^2+n+1)n+(n^2+n+1)1
No, (n+1)^2= n^2+ 2n + 1, not n^2+ 1
so
n^3+n^2+n+n^2+n+1
should be n^3+ 2n^2+ n+ n^2+ 2n+1 and you get n^3+ 3n^2+ 3n+ 1.

But far, far worse!
2n^2+2n+3
(2n)(2n)+2n+3
4n+2n+3
A thousand lashes with a wet noodle! 2n^2 is NOT(2n)(2n), that would be 4n^2. But anyway, (2n)(2n) is NOT 4n! You took the square off the n and put it on the 2- that's not cricket.
 
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