Help with Newton's second and third laws

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The problem involves two blocks, A and B, being pushed together with increasing speed, focusing on Newton's second and third laws. Participants are tasked with drawing free-body diagrams, identifying force pairs, and calculating forces exerted on the blocks and the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law to each block separately, questioning whether to account for the weight of block B when calculating the force on block A. There is an exploration of how to set up equations for both blocks.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on setting up separate equations for blocks A and B, while others express uncertainty about how to account for the forces acting on each block. The discussion is ongoing with attempts to clarify the relationships between the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is an emphasis on understanding the forces acting on the blocks without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement



Two blocks are pushed to the right so that they move together with increasing speed. Block B remains at the height shown. Ignore friction between the ground and block A but not between block A and block B. The mass of block A is 10kg and the mass of block B is 2kg. Let system S represent the system consisting of both blocks A and B. (use g=10m/s^2)A-for block a, b, and system s: draw free-body diagrams, identify any Newton's third law force pairs, and write out the algebraic form of Newton's second law.

B-using only the forces in your free-body diagram for system S, calculate the magnitude of the force exerted on system C by the ground (N_sg).

C-using only the forces in your free-body diagrams for block A and block B, calculate the magnitude of the force exerted on block A by the ground (N_ag).

D- How should the value of N_sg compare to N_ag?

Homework Equations


Force = mass X acceleration

The Attempt at a Solution


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This is my attempt so far. I'm stuck on C because I feel like I would use the same equation F=m X a but mass would be 10kg instead of 12 because it's asking about the force exerted on A. But the blocks move together so would I account for the weight of B as well? I've attached an image so you can see my attempt at parts A and B as well.

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hollymason said:
I'm stuck on C because I feel like I would use the same equation F=m X a but mass would be 10kg instead of 12 because it's asking about the force exerted on A.
OK.

hollymason said:
But the blocks move together so would I account for the weight of B as well?
The weight of B only acts directly on B, not A. Of course, the weight of B affects the force that B exerts on A. Set up two equations, one for A and one for B.
 
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but do you mean write different force equations for A and B?
So for A it would be F=10kg X 10m/s2=100N
and for B it would be F=2kg X 10m/s2 = 20N
 
hollymason said:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but do you mean write different force equations for A and B?
So for A it would be F=10kg X 10m/s2=100N
and for B it would be F=2kg X 10m/s2 = 20N
I mean apply Newton's 2nd law to each block separately. (##\Sigma F = ma##.) You already have the forces identified, and even the equations written. (To answer part C, all you need are the vertical forces.)
 

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