Help with Problem Moments: Calculate Steel Beam Deflection

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The discussion revolves around calculating the deflection of a steel beam subjected to a central load. The beam is 50 feet long, with specified properties such as elasticity and moment of inertia. Participants are seeking guidance on how to approach the problem without directly providing a solution.

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  • Participants discuss the formula for deflection and the significance of various parameters such as moment of inertia and modulus of elasticity. There are questions about the units of moment of inertia and the interpretation of variables in the deflection equation. Some participants express confusion regarding specific terms and their implications in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem, including unit conversions and the application of formulas. Some have provided partial equations and interpretations, while others are seeking clarification on specific components of the equations presented.

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There is mention of disregarding additional loads and a request for a graph related to elasticity. Participants are also checking assumptions about the beam's properties and the context of the problem, such as boundary conditions and the nature of the load.

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Hi everyone,

Just wondering if you could help with this problem a formula will do cos i don't know where to start.

A steel beam 50 feet in length is suspended with pin connections at either end and bears a load of 6000 pounds in the centre. Its elasticity is 29 000 000 pounds per square inch and its moment of inertia is 850 pounds^4.

How far is the beam deflected?

Thanks iin advance for any help.
 
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I too would like the answer to this question. Please note that all loads other than the initial load of 6000lbs (ie weight of the beam itself) is to be disregarded.

I am told that there is a graph which charts information about specific modules of elasticity. Does anyone know where I could find such a graph?
 
moment of inertia is 850 pounds^4.

Check the units.
 
Try the following:

Draw a diagram and set the angle made by the deflacted beam be \theta. Use the formula for the elasticity, Y = \frac{stress} {strain}. Stress would be the tension devided by cross sectional area. Strain = \frac{length change} {original length} which is a function of \theta.

To find cross sectional area use the given information about moment of inertia, length of the beam and the density of steel ( which is not given) .

gamma.

Given moment of inertia is with respect to which axis?
 
The units of moment of inertia should be in4 in the English system.

Solving the equation for the deflection of a beam (of length, L) subject to a point (local) force in the center (L/2), one finds that the deflection given as a function of distance is:

y = \frac{Fx}{48EI}(3L^2 - 4x^2), where x is taken as positive from the left hand side, F is the point force at the center along, E is the elastic modulus, and I is the moment of inertia taken with respect to the beams major axis. By convention, F is negative (-) for downward forces and positive (+) for upward forces (assuming a horizontal beam).

At the hinged ends, the moments are zero.

If weight of the beam were a factor, the weight (or mass) would have to be considered as a distributed force.

Has the instructor provided the beam equation and boundary conditions?
 
Astronuc said:
y = \frac{Fx}{48EI}(3L^2 - 4x^2), where x is taken as positive from the left hand side

What is x.. I don't get it. I understand everything else except for x. Help!?
 
x is the distance from the left hinge, which increases from 0 to L/2.

The equation is for the deflection y from the unloaded (undeformed) axis as a function of x, i.e. y=y(x), where y is the displacement at x.

The maximum deflection is located at L/2. The deflection a the hinge is 0.

If the force is down (-), then the deflection should be down (-).

Also, some equations use P for load rather than F for force.
 
So x would be where the force is on the beam? So if the force was in the center, and the beam was 50 ft(600in) long, then x = 300in!?

F (force)= 6,000lbs
E (Modulus of elasticity) = 29,000,000
I (Moment of inertia) = 850
L (length) = 600 in

So if I understand this right, then this would be...

y = [(6,000 x 300) / (48 x 29,000,000 x 850^4)] (3 x 600^2) - (4 x 300^2)
y = 1.09533 ?!? ?? ?
 
In the English system, the units for this problem are:

Load = pounds force = lbf
Modulus of Elasticity = lbf/in2 = psi
Moment of inertia = in4
Length = in

I will allow you to determine the units of deflection.

Regarding the Modulus of Elasticity (Young's Modulus) E, this relates stress with strain in the elastic region of the stress-strain diagram. Stress has units of force per unit area (or lbf/in2, psi or ksi) just like pressure and strain is dimensionless, therefore E has units of pressure (e.g. psi or ksi).

1 ksi = 1000 psi.
 
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I have posted the solution to this problem - https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=423455#post423455.

The above formula should reduce to \delta = (PL^3)/(48EI) at L/2, point of maximum deflection.

The term I = 850 in4, but the value 850 is not raised to the power of 4.

The answer is then \delta = 1.0953 in.
 

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