Help with Thermo Problem, vaporization of water into evacuated vessel

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the vaporization of one mole of liquid water at 100°C into an evacuated vessel, where the final pressure of the gaseous water is 0.1 atm. Participants are tasked with calculating various thermodynamic quantities, including q, w, delta H, delta G, and delta S, while considering the ideal gas behavior of water vapor.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the need for a reversible path for the process and question whether any liquid water can remain at the final conditions. There is discussion about using the ideal gas law to find the final volume of the vessel and the implications of the latent heat of vaporization on the state of water.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the assumptions of the problem and the nature of the process. Some have suggested considering intermediate states to facilitate a reversible transition, while others are questioning the feasibility of maintaining liquid water under the given conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the fixed temperature and pressure conditions, and the implications of the latent heat of vaporization on the phase transition. There is an emphasis on understanding the thermodynamic properties without providing direct solutions.

ThermoStudent
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
one mole of liquid water (100 deg C, vapor pressure = 1 atm) in a container is introduced into an evacuated vessel maintained at 100 deg C and allowed to evaporated. The volume of the vessel is such that the final pressure of the gaseous water is 0.1 atm. Given the (normal) latent heat of 9,730 cal per mole at 100 deg C, and assuming the vapor is ideal, calculate q, w, delta H, delta G and delta S for this process. [/b]

So I know that I need to find a reversible path for this problem, but I don't really know where to start.
I started by using the latent heat to find q using the formula L = Q/m
But other than that I have no idea where to go with this. I would very much appreciate any help on this problem.
 
Physics news on Phys.org


Ask yourself the following question: Is it possible for any liquid water to be remaining in the vessel if the final temperature is 100C and the final pressure is 0.1 atm? You know you have 1 mole of water, so this should give you enough information to get the volume of the vessel. Is the volume of the vessel really needed to determine the solution to the various parts of your problem?
 


Yeah, I can find the final volume of the vessel by using the ideal gas law, but I'm having a problem deciding a reversible path for this process.
 


What if there is no reversible path? The liquid water evaporates into the evacuated vessel. Unless the latent heat of vaporization is removed from the water vapor, it is not going to condense back into a liquid. With a final pressure of 0.1 atm and a temp of 100C, I would expect that very little liquid could exist.
 


The initial and final states are:

Initial: 1 mole of Liquid Water at 1 atm. and 100C

Final: 1 mole of water vapor at 0.1 atm. and 100C

You need to figure out how to go from the initial state to the final state reversibly - not necessarily in the vessel described in the problem.

Consider an Intermediate State: 1 mole of water vapor at 1 atm and 100C.

How do you go reversibly from the initial state to the intermediate state? How much reversible heat is required? What is delta H. What is delta S. What is delta G?

How do you go reversibly from the intermediate state to the final state? How much reversible heat is required? What is delta S? What is delta G?

chet
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
35
Views
6K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
21K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K