Help with Understanding Ground Loops

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This discussion focuses on the implications of ground loops in electrical circuits, particularly in DC and AC networks. It highlights that differing reference electric potentials (##V_{ref1}## and ##V_{ref2}##) can lead to unwanted current flow, potentially causing issues such as DC corrosion. In AC networks, the presence of induced EMF and self-inductance complicates the situation further, especially in applications like AC monophase railway systems. The conversation emphasizes the importance of maintaining consistent ground references to prevent interference in high-speed digital designs involving CPUs and RAM.

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Understanding the issue with ground loops
Hello,

When connecting different circuits together, the reference electric potential ##V_{ref}## (the ##0 Volt##) for each circuit should be the same electric potential so the potential at all other points is the same.

If circuit 1 has reference ##V_{ref1}## and circuit 2 has ##V_{ref2}## with ##V_{ref1}\neq V_{ref2}##, when the two reference potentials are connected, a current will flow along that connection...What is the problem with that? Does a return current always flow anyway along the ground/reference conductor?

thanks for any clarifications
 
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Maybe this figure helps:

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The two Earth connection points are there solely for protection. However, if their electric potential is different, then it is like adding an extra circuit with an extraneous current in parallel to the main circuit (lower portion of the figure)...

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DC source current is simply divided between wire and ground in proportion Rground/Rwire. In a well designed DC network this isn't an issue since allowed voltage drop is small and Rground>>Rwire. If local ground currents are sufficiently strong that may cause unwanted DC corrosion effects.
Situation is more complicated in AC large networks due to induced EMF in the loop and self-inductance of the "return wire". Good example is an AC monophase railway network where rails must be solidly grounded as often as possible and special attention is paid to such issues.
 
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Let's say you have a ground plane in a high speed, low voltage digital design. For example, just a CPU and a RAM.
Let's say you have a ground loop across that plane (by any reason).
What will that current do with the signal to/from the RAM? What will the devices 'see'?
 
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