Help with Understanding Ground Loops

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The discussion revolves around the concept of ground loops in electrical circuits, particularly focusing on the implications of differing reference potentials in connected circuits. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of ground loops, including their effects on circuit performance and potential issues in both DC and AC systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when connecting circuits with different reference potentials, a current will flow along the connection, raising questions about the implications of this current flow.
  • Another participant suggests that differing electric potentials at Earth connection points can create an extraneous current in parallel to the main circuit, potentially complicating circuit behavior.
  • A third participant discusses the division of DC source current between wire and ground, indicating that in well-designed networks, this is typically not problematic, but strong local ground currents could lead to issues like DC corrosion.
  • One participant raises a scenario involving a ground plane in a high-speed digital design, questioning the effects of a ground loop on signal integrity between a CPU and RAM.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of ground loops and the behavior of currents in various circuit configurations. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Participants have not fully addressed the assumptions regarding circuit design and the specific conditions under which ground loops may cause issues. The discussion also lacks a comprehensive analysis of the mathematical implications of the scenarios presented.

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Understanding the issue with ground loops
Hello,

When connecting different circuits together, the reference electric potential ##V_{ref}## (the ##0 Volt##) for each circuit should be the same electric potential so the potential at all other points is the same.

If circuit 1 has reference ##V_{ref1}## and circuit 2 has ##V_{ref2}## with ##V_{ref1}\neq V_{ref2}##, when the two reference potentials are connected, a current will flow along that connection...What is the problem with that? Does a return current always flow anyway along the ground/reference conductor?

thanks for any clarifications
 
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Maybe this figure helps:

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The two Earth connection points are there solely for protection. However, if their electric potential is different, then it is like adding an extra circuit with an extraneous current in parallel to the main circuit (lower portion of the figure)...

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DC source current is simply divided between wire and ground in proportion Rground/Rwire. In a well designed DC network this isn't an issue since allowed voltage drop is small and Rground>>Rwire. If local ground currents are sufficiently strong that may cause unwanted DC corrosion effects.
Situation is more complicated in AC large networks due to induced EMF in the loop and self-inductance of the "return wire". Good example is an AC monophase railway network where rails must be solidly grounded as often as possible and special attention is paid to such issues.
 
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Let's say you have a ground plane in a high speed, low voltage digital design. For example, just a CPU and a RAM.
Let's say you have a ground loop across that plane (by any reason).
What will that current do with the signal to/from the RAM? What will the devices 'see'?
 
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