Help writing a CV for someone with bad grades

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The discussion revolves around strategies for writing a CV for a fourth-year Electrical Engineering and Physics student with a low overall GPA, particularly due to poor performance in early mathematics courses. Participants explore how to effectively present academic achievements and skills to improve chances of passing HR screenings, especially for positions in large corporations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest focusing on project involvement and accomplishments rather than grades, emphasizing skills and relevant experiences.
  • Others argue that employers prioritize skill sets over first-year grades, but acknowledge that some companies may still screen candidates based on GPA.
  • A participant recommends tailoring the CV to the specific position by highlighting relevant courses and projects, particularly in signal processing.
  • Another viewpoint stresses the importance of presenting strengths and minimizing mention of weaknesses, suggesting that if grades are poor, they should not be highlighted.
  • One participant notes that employers often request official transcripts, making the inclusion of GPA on the CV less significant.
  • There is a suggestion to include smaller projects and coursework details to demonstrate capabilities, even without major projects.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for indicators of quality, such as awards or references, to enhance the CV's appeal in a competitive job market.
  • Another participant shares personal experience, suggesting that if the major GPA is significantly higher than the overall GPA, it could be beneficial to include it on the CV.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of emphasizing skills and relevant experiences over poor grades. However, there is disagreement on how much weight employers place on GPA and whether it should be included in the CV.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that job market customs regarding GPA presentation may vary locally, and that the lack of work experience presents a challenge that may require creative solutions, such as volunteering or highlighting transferable skills from unrelated jobs.

Who May Find This Useful

Students in STEM fields facing similar challenges with academic performance, particularly those seeking internships or entry-level positions in competitive job markets.

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So I'm a fourth year EE & Physics student without a previous work experience and unfortunately with bad grades, currently I'm sitting on a 76 average, the thing is that my first year was rough and that's where most of my bad grades are, which are mostly mathematics courses, otherwise I have pretty good grades on anything related to signal processing (87+ my highest grade is 97 on an intro to random signals course) , I have a nice grade on an intro to software system course (basically advanced C programming and C++ with focus on understanding OOP) and my physics courses are mostly OK (some 70s some 80s and 90s) , and that's it as far as I can tell, without the math courses my average goes up to 81 but I'm not sure how to present that, in addition I'm a student at a top University in my country so that might help as well, question is how do I present the situation in a CV that will get me past HR and into an interview?
 
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Don't mention classes, just list how you became involved in whatever projects you worked on, and what you accomplished.
While attending XXU for my <type of degree> in <major>:
* participated in the development of a radar tracking sensor for a robot, my specific contributions were...
* developed software tools for ...
* <you get the idea>
 
In general employers are a lot more interested in the skill set that you bring to the table rather than your mark in first year calculus. Some will use grades as a means of screening candidates of course, but those tend to be in the minority - at least in my experience.

When it comes to your CV, ideally you want to tailor it to the position you are applying for. Find out as much as you can about a position before applying for it and use this information to shape your CV. Focus on the skills that you've acquired and the tangible projects that you've completed. You would include course information if it's directly relevant to the position - i.e. I would certainly bring up the signal processing course and even go into detail about the material covered and projects you've completed if the position you're applying for needs someone who can do some signal processing.
 
A good philosophy is if it's bad, don't bring it up. Talk about your strengths and how your strengths mesh well with the company. If there are issues make them have to ask you about them. If they do, tell the truth, but don't give excuses.

Writing your CV you are focusing to much on how to explain the bad stuff. What you should be doing is shining a light on the good stuff.
 
I might've not communicated it clearly, but I haven't taken any major projects, I'm taking one this semester and it's a big one, but I cannot include it yet... I'm sure enough of my abilities and I know I can pass an interview, I need to pass HR which do screen by grades seeing that the employers in my area are mostly big cooperations such as Intel and Melanox, so with this additional info, on which (rather few) assets should I focus on?
 
In my experience when an employer screens by grades, they do so by requesting official transcripts. Whether you mention GPA on your CV or not is largely irrelevant because they'll go by the transcripts. And in that sense, you're really at the mercy of the process.

As far as the CV itself goes, you can focus on the smaller things that you've done in your courses. What kinds of programs did you write in your programming courses? What topics did your signal processing courses cover? What physics labs have you done? Something doesn't have to be a major research project to be mentioned on a CV.

And if your CV is weak because you don't have any work experience - the solution to that is getting work experience. I realize relevant internships may be difficult to come by and therein you have a "chicken-egg" problem. But remember that even somewhat unrelated work experience can bring skill sets to the table that employers might be interested in. Experience in retail sales, for example, can give you soft skills in customer relations and dealing with difficult people. If it's not work experience, you could also consider volunteering.
 
Job markets are local, as are customs and habits relating to mentioning grades on the CV. I encourage the students we mentor to frame the available information in the best possible light, which includes not only listing what one has done on the CV, but also indicating a number of indicators of quality.

If grades do not serve as indicators of quality on your CV, I'd give some careful consideration of what accomplishments you have that might. Awards? Publications? Employment? References? What you've done is important, but being able to make a case that you've done it well is more important in a competitive environment.

If you don't have any or many indicators of quality, I'd give serious consideration to how you might begin accruing them.
 
nashed said:
So I'm a fourth year EE & Physics student without a previous work experience and unfortunately with bad grades, currently I'm sitting on a 76 average, the thing is that my first year was rough and that's where most of my bad grades are, which are mostly mathematics courses, otherwise I have pretty good grades on anything related to signal processing (87+ my highest grade is 97 on an intro to random signals course) , I have a nice grade on an intro to software system course (basically advanced C programming and C++ with focus on understanding OOP) and my physics courses are mostly OK (some 70s some 80s and 90s) , and that's it as far as I can tell, without the math courses my average goes up to 81 but I'm not sure how to present that, in addition I'm a student at a top University in my country so that might help as well, question is how do I present the situation in a CV that will get me past HR and into an interview?
What is your major GPA (only EE and Physics)?

I did something very similar and slacked off my first few years. Fortunately I turned it around and my major GPA was 3.8, while my actual GPA was much lower. So on my resume I could put in major GPA. Hopefully you have a decent major GPA.
 

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