Help! Wrong Eigenvalues Using Matrix A

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The discussion revolves around the process of finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a matrix A, specifically addressing discrepancies encountered when using different methods to compute them. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and seek assistance in identifying errors in their approaches.

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  • One participant reports obtaining different results for eigenvectors using two methods: \(\lambda I - A\) and \(A - \lambda I\), noting that the first method yielded incorrect results for the second eigenvalue.
  • Another participant suggests substituting a specific eigenvector into the systems of equations derived from the matrix to verify its validity.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the nature of the problematic eigenvector and seeks clarification on why it is considered problematic.
  • Further contributions emphasize the importance of checking solutions against the original systems of equations to identify errors in calculations.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their calculations and expresses gratitude for the assistance in identifying it.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact nature of the mistake made in the calculations, but there is agreement on the method of verifying solutions by substitution into the systems of equations.

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Participants reference specific matrices and systems of equations but do not resolve the underlying mathematical steps or assumptions that led to the discrepancies in their results.

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Hello all,

I have a problem with eigenvalues. I tried finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a matrix A. I did once using:

\[\lambda I-A\]

And a second time using:

\[A-\lambda I\]

For the first eigenvalue I got identical eigenvectors in both methods, but for the second eigenvalue, the first method was wrong, while the second was correct. I can't find the problem. I am attaching my solution using

\[\lambda I-A\]

which is wrong. Can you assist ? Thank you !

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Why don't you substitute the third, problematic, eigenvector, in each of the three systems of equations you got in the process of finding the echelon form?
 
Not sure I follow you...

I would like to know why this eigenvector is problematic
 
You have three systems of linear equations on the second page with matrices
\[
\begin{pmatrix}1&-1&-1\\-1&1&-1\\0&0&2\end{pmatrix}\qquad
\begin{pmatrix}1&1&1\\0&0&-2\\0&0&1\end{pmatrix}\qquad
\begin{pmatrix}1&1&1\\0&0&1\\0&0&0\end{pmatrix}
\]
I suggest substituting $x=-1$, $y=1$, $z=0$ into those systems to see if it is really a solution.
 
I see, it isn't a solution. So you confirmed the fact that I made a mistake, but where is it ?
 
Maybe I was writing in Russian... (Smile)

Evgeny.Makarov said:
Why don't you substitute the third, problematic, eigenvector, in each of the three systems of equations you got in the process of finding the echelon form?
This way you can see which of the system is correct ($x=−1$, $y=1$, $z=0$ is not a solution) and which is wrong (it is a solution), and thus determine the first system that is wrong. Looking at it carefully, you'll see the mistake.

This is the way to find mistakes in other similar situations.
 
Hi,

After first arrow in second page you have modified first row of the matrix.
 
Evegeny, you were writing in English, not Russian, it's my fault for not getting it quicker. Now I understand (finally) your method, it's a good idea, thank you !

Fallen Angel, thanks ! I made a silly mistake, thanks for finding it !
 

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