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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to modeling the arterial tree as a branching network. Participants explore the mathematical relationships governing the diameters of blood vessels at various generations, specifically focusing on deriving formulas for diameter ratios and mean transit times. The scope includes theoretical modeling and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the relationship between diameters can be expressed as (D_n-1)^3 ≈ 2*(D_n)^3, leading to the conclusion that D_n/D_0 = 2^(-n/3).
  • Another participant suggests plugging in values for n to demonstrate the necessary number of generations to achieve the specified diameter ratio from the aorta to the capillaries.
  • Some participants express confusion about deriving the mean transit time equation and seek clarification on how to approach this derivation.
  • Questions arise regarding the constants a and b in the original equation, with speculation that they may be constrained to values close to 1, affecting the approximation.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of using specific diameter values (D_0 = 2.6 cm and D_34 = 10 um) to validate the number of generations needed for the model.
  • There is a suggestion to explore the flow rate equations mentioned in the text to aid in solving part c of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the mathematical proofs and derivations required for the homework questions. There is no consensus on the correct approach to proving the relationships or deriving the mean transit time.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for clarity on the definitions and roles of constants in the equations, as well as the assumptions underlying the approximations used in the modeling.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying hemodynamics, those interested in mathematical modeling of biological systems, and individuals seeking assistance with complex homework problems in physics or engineering.

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Model the arterial tree as a simple branching network in which each junction is composed of a parent vessel and daughter vessels, each having a diameter related to the parent's via the cube law (D_n-1)^3= (D_n*a)^3 + (D_n*b)^3 which is approx. equal to 2*(D_n)^3

a.) Show that D_n/D_0= 2^(-n/3)

b.) Show that 35 generations are required to model the arterial tree from aorta (D_0=2.6 cm) to the capillaries (D_34=10 um)


c.) Derive a formula for the mean transit time (ie vessel length divded by mean velociity) for an individual vessel. Based on this formula, how long does the model suggest it would take for blood to go from the aorta to the capillaries?



My work:


a.) since

(D_n-1)^3 is approximately equal to 2*(D_n)^3

therefore,

(D_n-1/D_n)^3= 2

therefore i Dn/Do= 2^(-n/3)

I'm not sure

i need help with the other questions, I'm confused how use this equation to solve the problem?








 
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johnq2k7 said:
Model the arterial tree as a simple branching network in which each junction is composed of a parent vessel and daughter vessels, each having a diameter related to the parent's via the cube law (D_n-1)^3= (D_n*a)^3 + (D_n*b)^3 which is approx. equal to 2*(D_n)^3

a.) Show that D_n/D_0= 2^(-n/3)

b.) Show that 35 generations are required to model the arterial tree from aorta (D_0=2.6 cm) to the capillaries (D_34=10 um)


c.) Derive a formula for the mean transit time (ie vessel length divded by mean velociity) for an individual vessel. Based on this formula, how long does the model suggest it would take for blood to go from the aorta to the capillaries?



My work:


a.) since

(D_n-1)^3 is approximately equal to 2*(D_n)^3

therefore,

(D_n-1/D_n)^3= 2

therefore i Dn/Do= 2^(-n/3)

I'm not sure

i need help with the other questions, I'm confused how use this equation to solve the problem?

I'd guess that you just plug in n=34, n=35, n=36 into the equation, and show that you need at least n=35 in order to get the large ratio in vessel sizes that they give in the question.
 
How do you prove part a.) properly though, and for part c.) how do u derive the mean transit time equation from the information?

please help
 
johnq2k7 said:
How do you prove part a.) properly though, and for part c.) how do u derive the mean transit time equation from the information?

please help

What are a and b in the original equation? Are they somehow constrained to be close to 1 each, and that's why the simplified approximation works?

For the proof, I'd try doing something like this...

{D_{n-1}}^3 = 2 {D_n}^3

So

{D_0}^3 = 2 {D_1}^3

{D_1}^3 = 2 {D_2}^3

{D_2}^3 = 2 {D_3}^3

etc., So

{D_0}^3 = 2 {D_1}^3 = 2^2 {D_2}^3 = 2^3 {D_3}^3 = ... = 2^n {D_n}^3

The rest of the proof should follow. Is that what you mean?

And what does your text say about flow rate equations. There must be more information that you use to solve that part?
 
How about part b.)

Do you simply

use, D_0= 2.6 cm

D(34)= 10 um

and substitute

(D_0)^3 / (2^34)= 10 um

How do you prove it?

I'm sort of confused?
 
johnq2k7 said:
How about part b.)

Do you simply

use, D_0= 2.6 cm

D(34)= 10 um

and substitute

(D_0)^3 / (2^34)= 10 um

How do you prove it?

I'm sort of confused?

I'd said:
berkeman said:
I'd guess that you just plug in n=34, n=35, n=36 into the equation, and show that you need at least n=35 in order to get the large ratio in vessel sizes that they give in the question.


So what is the ratio of the 2.6cm and 10um? What is the ratio of the following?

\frac{{D_0}^3}{{D_{33}}^3}

\frac{{D_0}^3}{{D_{34}}^3}

\frac{{D_0}^3}{{D_{35}}^3}
 

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