Hexamagnetic levitation using neodymium ball magnets

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The discussion revolves around the concept of hexamagnetic levitation using neodymium ball magnets, exploring the arrangement and configuration of these magnets to achieve magnetic suspension. Participants share their experiences, theoretical insights, and questions regarding the feasibility and mechanics of the proposed setup.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method of arranging neodymium ball magnets in a diamond shape to create a hexagonal configuration aimed at achieving magnetic suspension.
  • Another participant inquires about the conditions under which the neodymium ball was suspended, including its temperature and position relative to the magnetic arrays.
  • A participant suggests that the ball's levitation might be influenced by the configuration of the magnets and the forces acting on them, proposing that the ball experiences a balance of forces akin to Lagrange points.
  • There are suggestions to modify the magnetic field at the center of the hexagon to stabilize the suspended ball, including the use of iron objects to create a cusp in the magnetic field.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the patentability of the initial hexagon construction but suggests that modifications could be patentable, referencing European patent law.
  • Another participant discusses the potential effects of closing or opening aisles between the triangles on the magnetic force balance, indicating that material choices could affect the ball's stability.
  • There are considerations about the damping effects of encasing the setup in materials like mu metal and the introduction of bearings to modify the magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and hypotheses regarding the mechanics of the setup, with no clear consensus on the effectiveness of the proposed configurations or the implications for patent law. Multiple competing views remain on the best methods to achieve stable levitation and the potential for patenting the designs discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the magnetic interactions and the influence of various materials on the system's behavior. There are unresolved questions about the specific configurations and their effects on the levitation stability.

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Hello,

Just wanted to say I did this today. I could envision it in theory a while.
Went ahead and filed it under creative commons. Wondered If any of you "are" aware if this is a pattent somewhere? And maybe shed some light on it.

We start with arranging neodymium ball magnets in a diamond like so..

This gives us a magnet with two prodominant magnetic poles.


The next thing we do is find either the negative or positive magnetic pole on one of the diamond points. And use tape (or something else to secure it stays in shape).
After we taped half the diamond along the diagonal edge. We split it to get this shape. (neatly taped up). There may be arguments against spitting it up guess either way it will work.


We now proceed to make six of these shapes. All having poles of the same polarity. And arrange them in a hexagon like so.Now precision is key here, the better the spacing is, the better results you may get. Ultimately this might even result in magnetic suspension. But for proof of concept I have gotten as far as suspending a neodymium ball inside a tube. With good results.
 
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Looks like fun.

1. Was the Neodymium ball a magnet at room temperature?
2. Was the ball suspended above, at, or below the plane of the six arrays.
3. Was the tube within the six arrays, or exterior to the hexagon?
 
1 slightly above room temperature, and very strong.
2 It was floating above.
3 dead center in the haxagon. X marks the spot.The intended funtion is to create a high amount of field around the tips and along the axes towards the center. This is accheived by using the weak force to bind the magnets together, and pushing the strong force out. Also I believe this might cause more current in the flux by having a large mass plain to return to, compared to the small tip.

In theory the ratio of force is equal in a hexagon, so if the ball magnet flips and starts getting pulled. It gets pulled equally in a tug of war. Where the diameter from tip to tip is equal to the diameter from tip to center. My thoughts where it would not levitate but suspend instead, turns out it levitates quite a bit.

Looking at the graphics it looks like there are more possible configurations of magnets. Also a "hypothetical vortex" looks to be equaly exposed along the top right side of the triangle. Where the weak force is at it's strongest.
 
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On my site there is a link to some footage I made, using a quicky prototype.
Found here
 
In the video, it seemed to me that, in the diamagnetic orientation, the ball was above the plane, but the cylinder prevented the ball from moving toward the points of the magnetic triangles. The ball is at a meta-static point. Any move away from perfect balance will draw the ball further away. The L-1 and L-2 Lagrange points are similar. (It seems to me that it would be nice to create a cusp of magnetic forces at the center which would hold the ball with stability.)

How does the magnetic force balance point react to closing and opening the aisles between the triangles. That is, does the ball get drawn off even more easily?

Marking the surface of the suspended ball would show the orientation of its magnetic field.

Depending on the orientation of the suspended balls magnetic field, perhaps a magnet or and iron particle beneath the suspended ball would help center it.

This looks like fun.

While the initial hexagon construction isn't patentable, modifications of the magnetic field at the center in order to stabilize it may be patentable. As I understand European patent law, if you tell everyone (or anyone) about your design without a non disclosure agreement, then you have given away your right to patent it.
 
MRBlizzard said:
How does the magnetic force balance point react to closing and opening the aisles between the triangles. That is, does the ball get drawn off even more easily?

Depends on the materials used to block the isle. For Fe: yes.

MRBlizzard said:
Marking the surface of the suspended ball would show the orientation of its magnetic field.

Im pretty confident it's negative to negative.
MRBlizzard said:
While the initial hexagon construction isn't patentable, modifications of the magnetic field at the center in order to stabilize it may be patentable. As I understand European patent law, if you tell everyone (or anyone) about your design without a non disclosure agreement, then you have given away your right to patent it.

Since no one has jumped in and said "Simpsons did it".. yet.
Well.. either way, I filed it somewhere else first (under semi restrictive non commercial creative commons) And have a backup of my site from the day it happened. To what degree that makes me own the described diamagnet principle is unknown to me. All I know from experience the more I release the more comes right after it in the sense of good new vibes. I have some pretty neat stuff in terms of aqquired derivation, I am happy to lean on someone to get it built :)
 
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Sorry for the delayed reply; I was visiting my mother.


MRBlizzard said:
... (It seems to me that it would be nice to create a cusp of magnetic forces at the center which would hold the ball with stability.)

Depending on the orientation of the suspended balls magnetic field, perhaps a magnet or an iron particle beneath the suspended ball would help center it.

... .

What I was getting at was putting an iron object between the points of the hexagon. For instance, a metal washer, or a piece cut from a soup can. The intent is to modify the magnetic field that the suspended ball sees in order to create a cusp in which it would sit. This would be one end of a magnetic bearing.

You are bright and creative.
 
Ah.. The thing I noticed is that there is a hole in the positive strong force.
And there is a small peak in the 2nd weak force that is there from the ratio's acting on each other.
So the estimated picture from the side is something like so.
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Which is the thing I find hard to alter into something else.
Might be something to encase in a mu metal of some sort so that it sweeps up higher, (if it actually does?) I guess you can also introduce a bearing of some sort to try and damp off a bit of the field. Have to go with a gut feeling there'd be some damping on both ends.
 

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Unless you gain some benefit you are not affected by patent law.

You have published so you cannot now patent. Neither can anyone else, unless they filed some form of patent application prior to your publication.

One is only liable to the owner of a patent from the time one is informed of the patent, whereupon one obviously stops infringing, or enters a licensing agreement.

Don't worry about patents unless you are doing research, tooling-up to manufacture or market. A patent is an insurance policy to protect the inventor and manufacturer from competition during the early period while recouping their R&D investment.
 

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