High altitude balloon gas expansion

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SUMMARY

This discussion focuses on calculating the expansion of helium or hydrogen gas in a balloon at altitudes of 30,000, 60,000, and 90,000 feet, with a constant temperature of -30°F. The key equation involves determining the balloon's diameter necessary to lift a total weight of 500 lbs, factoring in the atmospheric pressure at each altitude. Participants emphasize the importance of buoyancy and the relationship between the volume of gas and the weight of air displaced. Accurate unit conversion and pressure data from the provided Engineering Toolbox chart are essential for precise calculations.

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  • Understanding of buoyancy principles
  • Familiarity with gas laws and expansion
  • Knowledge of atmospheric pressure variations with altitude
  • Ability to perform unit conversions accurately
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  • Study atmospheric pressure charts for different altitudes
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Aerospace engineers, physics students, and anyone involved in ballooning or atmospheric science will benefit from this discussion.

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Homework Statement



Could someone help me calculate the rate of expansion of gas (helium or hydrogen) in a balloon at different altitudes.

temperature is -30f at all altitudes

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/air-altitude-pressure-d_462.html <- chart for air pressure

Homework Equations



What would the diameter of a balloon filled with helium OR hydrogen be at 30k 60k and 90k feet have to lift 500lbs total.

The Attempt at a Solution



around 23 ft at sea level
 
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I'm having trouble understanding. Is the balloon rising up at a constant speed? Is it just let go and free to rise? If you suddenly change a balloon's altitude, it would expand or contract because the atmospheric pressure is now different, but the expansion would stop once an equilibrium is reached.
 
Take the pressures from 30k, 60k and 90k, and find out how big the balloon would have to be to lift a total wieght of 500 lbs at these altitudes.
 
Gmanme said:
Take the pressures from 30k, 60k and 90k, and find out how big the balloon would have to be to lift a total wieght of 500 lbs at these altitudes.

Well you know the buoyancy required is 500 lbs. You will want to know at each of those pressures how big a volume is needed to supply the difference in weight of the air displaced and helium or hydrogen (choose one) at the same pressure.

Careful of your units.
 

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