Higher Dimensional Green Function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties and implications of the Green Function in the context of a massive scalar field theory, particularly when compactifying dimensions into a circle. Participants explore the relationship between the Green Function, the Casimir energy, and the concept of images in this framework.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an expression for the expectation value of the energy-momentum tensor and queries about the form of the Green Function when compactifying dimensions.
  • Another participant questions whether the indices in the original expression run over five or four dimensions.
  • A different participant raises the possibility of a zero mode in the sum of the Green Function, suggesting that the sum may not start from 1.
  • One participant challenges the correctness of the stress tensor expression and proposes an alternative formulation, linking the periodicity of the fields to Kaluza-Klein states.
  • Another participant suggests that the "images" refer to virtual photons and relates this to the calculation of Casimir energy, referencing a specific paper for context.
  • Further elaboration is provided on how compactification may create new pathways for virtual photons between points in the compactified dimension.
  • One participant discusses the implications of compactification on low-energy physics, noting that calculations in four dimensions remain valid below the compactification radius.
  • Participants share their current research interests, including the Casimir energy in RS models and gauge coupling evolution in string models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus among participants regarding the interpretation of the Green Function, the nature of the images, or the specifics of the energy-momentum tensor. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying interpretations of the Green Function and its implications, with some assumptions about the dimensionality and periodicity of fields remaining unresolved. The discussion also touches on the relationship between compactification and low-energy effective theories without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Hey folks!

I'm starting with the Lagrangian of a massive scalar field and have found an expression for the expectation value of the energy-momentum tensor.

<T_{\mu \nu}>=(\partial_\mu \partial_\nu-\frac{1}{2}(g_{\mu \nu}(\partial_\mu \partial_\nu+m^2))G(x-x')


let say I have some Green Function G(x-x') and then I compactify the dimension into a circle or radius R, then can someone explain why we write the GF as:

G(x-x')=\sum_{n=1}^\infty G_\infty(x-x'+2\pi R n \hat{y})

And explain the phrase: the Casimir energy can be easily obtained by summing over the infinite volume Green Function over all the images.

What are the images here?

Any help appreciated!
 
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Hmm... I once knew an R. Obousy.

mu and nu in the original expression---do they run over five directions or four?
 
Ok dude. I'm still thinking. Isn't there a zero mode, i.e. n = 0? Or does the sum really run from 1 to infinity?
 
That's what's been bugging me: your stress tensor is wrong. Do you mean

<T_{\mu \nu}>=(\partial_\mu \partial_\nu-\frac{1}{2}(g_{\mu \alpha}g_{\nu \beta}\partial^{\alpha} \partial^\beta+m^2))G(x-x')

?

Either way, I'm pretty sure that the 2 \pi R n y means you're summing over modes, like Kaluza-Klein states, or something. Think of it this way, you have one dimension which is a circle, and the fields living on that circle must be periodic---the wave function in the fifth dimension has to be periodic, so it has to be an integer multiple of the circumference of the dimension.

As far as images goes, I think that this is image in the mathematical sense---it sounds like a mathematician wrote the article you're reading, and is just using fancy words. Because the Green's function is periodic in the fifth direction, it has an infinite tower of images---i.e. a whole tower of functions which all give the same value at y = 0.

Again, I'm not too sure about the context in which you have read this, so don't take me too seriously.
 
Hey Ben The Man!

Well spotted on the metric indices. You are right.

I've been thinking a little more about this actually. The images are in fact the virtual photons (I'm calculating the casimir energy...who of thought?) and the green function will ultimately relate to the vacuum energy. I'm reading an Arkani-Hamed paper, http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0703/0703067v1.pdf (appendix A) where he derives the vacuum energy for a massive scalar in d dims with one compact dimension.

Actually, I've been thinking that maybe the process of compactifying opens up new paths for the virtual photon to get from x to x'. e.g picture the computer sceen you are looking at right now, to get from the middle to the bottom of the screen you have to move DOWN, but if you compactified the screen you could move UP the screen instead, to get to the lower portion.

I suppose its all in the interpretatation of the what the GF is in this case.
 
The images are in fact the virtual photons

I think I agree. This is like saying that the field is quantized in the direction between the parallel plates. In the fifth dimension, the field is a sine wave running around a circle, and you sum over all possible field configurations.

I've been thinking that maybe the process of compactifying opens up new paths for the virtual photon to get from x to x'.

I've been working with a similar problem, and I don't know if this is the case. When you do a calculation, for example, you have to do it in four dimensions if you're at energies below the compactification radius. This is why we can do QFT calculations of electron positron scattering as opposed to doing a string theory calculation---the dynamics of the compact dimension are essentially hidden from low energy physics.

So below your compact dimension radius, the propogator is exactly the same as the four dimensional scalar propogator.
 
Cool, thanks for your insights.

Are you working on anything interesting at the moment.

I'm looking at the casimir energy and force in the RS models, seeing how the bulk gravition C.E effects our brane. I was hoping to be the first, but there are about five papers out that do just that, so I need to find a new spin.
 
Well, right now I am trying to figure out how gauge coupling evolution works in a specific class of string models that give good low energy phenomenology. Hopefully this project will be finished soon, because I am getting pretty tired of it :)
 

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