Hints that a dynamical system may lie behind the distribution of primes

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The discussion revolves around the potential connections between dynamical systems and the distribution of prime numbers, exploring theoretical models such as the "Riemann Gas" and its implications in statistical physics and partition functions.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that there is a deeper mathematical and physical reality underlying the distribution of primes, linking it to dynamical systems.
  • One participant mentions a "Harmonic model of gas" where the total partition function is related to the Riemann Zeta function, proposing that the frequencies of particles correspond to the logarithm of prime numbers.
  • Another participant expresses interest in learning more about the "Riemann Gas" and requests references to support this concept.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the validity of claims made without proof, questioning the nature of assertions in the context of homework assignments.
  • A participant discusses recovering an integral equation related to prime frequencies using solid state physics concepts, but notes that this does not simplify the problem.
  • There is mention of calculating properties like entropy and density of states in relation to the Riemann Gas, with a recognition of the challenges involved, including the non-existence of the Riemann Gas for practical experimentation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of views on the connections between prime numbers and physical models, with no consensus reached on the validity of the proposed ideas or the existence of the Riemann Gas.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the difficulty of proving claims related to the distribution of primes and its physical implications. The discussion includes references to specific concepts in statistical physics that may not be universally understood.

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http://secamlocal.ex.ac.uk/~mwatkins/zeta/NTfourier.htm"

This is along the lines of what I have suspected about the primes that there is something there that is far deeper and has a real impact on both math in general and physical reality.
 
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- There is an even more "amazing" fact, it's proved that there is a "Harmonic model of gas" so its total partition funciton Z is equal to the riemann Zeta function..(If Bosons) and [tex]\zeta(2s) / \zeta(s)[/tex] (If Fermions).. the frecuencies of every particle (infinitely many of them) is [tex]\hbar \omega (k) = log(p_k )[/tex] k=1,2,3,4,5,... (primes) this is called the "Riemann Gas"...
 
Karlisbad said:
- There is an even more "amazing" fact, it's proved that there is a "Harmonic model of gas" so its total partition funciton Z is equal to the riemann Zeta function..(If Bosons) and [tex]\zeta(2s) / \zeta(s)[/tex] (If Fermions).. the frecuencies of every particle (infinitely many of them) is [tex]\hbar \omega (k) = log(p_k )[/tex] k=1,2,3,4,5,... (primes) this is called the "Riemann Gas"...

I can't find much on that but would love to learn more do you have links to some references?
 
:cry: :cry: Unfortunately "Playdo" i myself am stuck in this problem..:frown: :frown: you could try to learn something about "Statistical Physics" (involving partition function) at Wikipedia:confused: :confused:
 
Karlisbad said:
:cry: :cry: Unfortunately "Playdo" i myself am stuck in this problem..:frown: :frown: you could try to learn something about "Statistical Physics" (involving partition function) at Wikipedia:confused: :confused:

So do you usually make statements of fact about things you cannot completely prove? I mean it is one thing to be armchair and point to someone elses clearly written work, but to simply say I think this is true but can't prove it. At least make an argument showing why you think it might be true or even what you really mean.
 
I think he means that he knows it's true, but doesn't know how to prove it. Example, it's a question on a homework assignment

I could be wrong though
 
And everyone knows that a statement on a homework assignment can't possibly be incorrect!
 
Using Solid state (i recommend you "Ashcorft & Mermin : SOlid State Physics) using the definition of Partition function and specific Heat.. I've been able to recover the Integral equation involving [tex]\pi (e^{t})[/tex] (precisely the inverse of the k-th frequency) [tex]\omega (k) = log(p_k)[/tex] ,unfortunately this does not simplify the problem.. what i have asked is if there would be a method knowing the "Entropy" , "gibbs function" or similar ,which can be calculated knowing the partition function, and from this to get the density of states (in 1-D is just the inverse of the derivative [tex]\frac{d\omega}{dk}[/tex] multiplied by a constant, if we were able to calculate the "speed of sound " for the lattice or density of states we could calculate every prime..at the moment the only chance would be to use X-rays (if we had a portion of the Riemann gas of course) to calculate the frequencies...:redface: of course this is impossible since Riemann gas does not exist :frown:
 

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