Hit or Miss: Maintaining Fridge Temperature w/ Food or Air

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The discussion centers on the energy requirements for maintaining the temperature of refrigerators that are either empty or full of food. Participants explore the implications of thermal dynamics, heat transfer, and the effects of the refrigerator's contents on energy consumption, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a refrigerator full of food requires more energy to maintain temperature due to the greater amount of matter needing to reach thermal equilibrium.
  • Another participant argues that the energy required to maintain temperature does not depend on the contents, as long as the food is already cold, and emphasizes that the heat leak is primarily through the refrigerator walls.
  • A different viewpoint notes that while initial cooling may require more energy for a full refrigerator, once at equilibrium, the energy consumption is equal with the door closed.
  • One participant mentions that a full refrigerator retains cold better, as less cold air escapes when the door is opened, thus requiring less energy to maintain temperature over time.
  • Another participant provides a practical example from their experience with a boat refrigerator, illustrating how temperature differences affect energy consumption and emphasizing the benefits of having a full refrigerator in terms of maintaining cold air during door openings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a full refrigerator requires more energy to maintain temperature compared to an empty one. Some argue that a full refrigerator is more efficient once cooled, while others maintain that the energy requirement is independent of the contents, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference thermal dynamics principles, but there are varying assumptions about the effects of refrigerator contents on energy consumption, and the discussion does not resolve these differences.

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I haven't found an answer to this and I can't go to sleep until I do-

If two refrigerators are at the same thermostat setting. One empty (assumed regular Earth air inside) and one full of food.

Both have already reached the temperature on the thermostat. Which will require more energy to maintain at the set temperature (not specified)?

I don't know what equations to use here or if my thoughts are even in the right direction but here goes:

It would take more energy to maintain the fridge full of food b/c it has more matter that is subject to reaching equilibrium and so the refrigerator has to actively fight this and costs more energy than the fridge full of air.

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The only heat leak in a cold refrigerator is the thermal conductance in the refigerator walls, assuming the door seals well. It requires electrical energy to keep the inside cold. The average power W (watts) to keep it cold is W = C*(room temp-inside temp), where C = conductance. This does not depend on whether there is any food in it, as long as the food is cold. A refrigerator full of food will stay colder longer than one that is empty when there is a power failure, but it will take longer to cool it down again when the power comes back on.
 
As usual, Bob S is right on: heat gain and loss in general is via conduction, convection and radiation.

You have the right idea insofar as it likely takes more energy for the initial cooling; once all contents are at equilibrium it's equal with the door kept closed.

With a refrigerator, heat gain or loss is proportional to the temperature difference between inside and outside, as he notes. I monitor this closely on my boat because I use 12 volt dc batteries and a 12volt refrigeration compressor. (This redcues my need to run a relatively expensive diesel generator just for refrigeration.) If the internal frig temp is, say, 40 degrees and the ambient room temperature is say 65 degrees that's a 25 degree temperature. So if the room temperature is instead 90 degrees,as on a really hot summer day, that's 50 degrees above the refrig temp: so my batteries have to supply about twice the power. I can tell the difference just from the extra time the compressor runs and the extra time to recharge batteries when I do run a generator.

BUT, in practical use, a full frig, once fully cooled, takes less power to keep at that temperature because when the door is opened, less cold air escapes and has to be recooled. The contents "holds" cold better since cold it leaks out an open door much more slowly. Besides, selections for dinner are more varied!
 
Naty1 said:
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BUT, in practical use, a full frig, once fully cooled, takes less power to keep at that temperature because when the door is opened, less cold air escapes and has to be recooled. The contents "holds" cold better since cold it leaks out an open door much more slowly.
Good point. An empty 20 cubic foot refrigerator holds about 0.54 cubic meters (750 grams) of cold air. It spills out and onto the floor every time we open the 'frig'.
Bob S
 

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