Holder-Continuous Functions for a>1

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Hölder-continuous functions, specifically examining the case when the exponent \( a \) is greater than 1. Participants explore whether Hölder continuity remains valid under this condition and the implications for the function's behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of Hölder continuity for \( a > 1 \), suggesting that it may only apply for \( 0 < a < 1 \).
  • Another participant asserts that if \( a > 1 \), the function \( f \) must be constant, proposing a proof that \( f' = 0 \) based on the definition of the derivative.
  • A further response elaborates on the implications of the growth condition, indicating that \( f(x) - f(y) \) becomes much smaller than \( y - x \) as \( y \) approaches \( x \).
  • One participant seeks clarification on how changing the variable \( h \) to \( y - x \) affects the limit in the derivative definition.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to formally demonstrate that \( |f'| = 0 \) using the given inequality, while also explaining the relationship between the limit definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of Hölder continuity for \( a > 1 \). While some suggest that it leads to constant functions, others question the applicability of the concept in this range, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference the epsilon-delta definition of limits and continuity, which may introduce additional assumptions or dependencies that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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I'm new to analysis, so I'm still trying to grapple with the concepts... there is one that has been bugging me forever now ---

||f(x) - f(y)|| <= ||x -y||a is the Holder-continuous equality. What happens if a becomes > 1, does that still remain Holder-continuous or is Holder-continuity valid only for 0<a<1?
 
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If a > 1 f should be constant. Try to prove f' = 0 using the definition of the derivative. Intuitively the growth condition on f(x) - f(y) (for a > 1) implies that f(x) - f(y) is much smaller than y-x when y-x is small.

So you still call it Holder continuity, but the name doesn't mean much. If a > 1 you have a constant function so there is not much to say. Thus the only interesting cases are for a less than or equal to 1. If a = 1, you have lipschitz continuity which has many consequences in say differential equations.
 
So, using the definition of derivative ---
f'(x) = lim h->0 f (x+h) - f(x)/h, if we have h = y-x then as you said from the growth condition, then the numerator which is f(y) - f(x) is much smaller than the denominator y-x, so f' = 0 for y-x close to 0. Is that right?

Also, when I'm changing h to y-x, how will the limit change?
 
Well you might want to show |f'| = 0 since then you will have absolute values in both the numerator and denominator of the difference quotient.

But you just repeated what I said instead of giving a proof, which is what you're expected to do in analysis. So try to show |f'| = 0 using the definition. It's really just one step, since all you can do is apply the given inequality.

Intuitively, replacing h with y-x shouldn't make a difference. If we fix x and let y approach x, h is of course just measuring how far y is from x; letting h approach 0 is the same as letting y move closer and closer to x. The formal way of demonstrating this is via the epsilon-delta definition of the limit. It's completely analogous to showing that continuity of some function g at a point b means g(x) -> g(b) as x -> b or equivalently g(b + h) -> g(b) as h -> 0.
 

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