Homeomorphism Between Q and Unit Sphere in R^3

  • Context: MHB 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Poirot1
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Homeomorphism
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a homeomorphism between the set Q defined by the equation \(x^2+y^6+z^{10}=1\) and the unit sphere in \(\mathbb{R}^3\). Participants explore various mappings and their properties, focusing on continuity and the requirements for homeomorphisms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the mapping \(f:Q\to S^2,\; f(x,y,z)=(x,\sqrt[3]{y},\sqrt[5]{z})\) but later corrects it to \(f:S^2\to Q\).
  • Another participant questions whether the mapping should be \(f(x,y,z)=(x,y^3,z^5)\) and expresses concern about the direction of the mapping.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of continuity of \(f\) and \(f^{-1}\) regarding the existence of partial derivatives, with one participant clarifying that continuity does not require all partial derivatives to exist.
  • One participant states that differentiability of the map and its inverse would imply continuity, while another acknowledges that they were looking for a sufficient but not necessary condition.
  • A different mapping is proposed: \(f:Q\longrightarrow S^2\) defined as \(f(x,y,z)=\frac{1}{||(x,y,z)||}(x,y,z)\), with claims that this mapping is continuous, bijective, and open.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate mappings and the conditions for continuity and differentiability. No consensus is reached on a specific homeomorphism or the implications of continuity versus differentiability.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various properties of mappings without resolving the mathematical details or assumptions underlying their claims. The discussion includes potential misunderstandings about the definitions and requirements for homeomorphisms.

Poirot1
Messages
243
Reaction score
0
Find a homeomorphism between Q={(x,y,z):$x^2+y^6+z^{10}=1$} and the unit sphere in R^3
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Re: homeomorphism

Have you tried $f:Q\to S^2,\; f(x,y,z)=(x,\sqrt[3]{y},\sqrt[5]{z})$ ?

Edit: I meant $f:S^2\to Q$.
 
Last edited:
Re: homeomorphism

Fernando Revilla said:
Have you tried $f:Q\to S^2,\; f(x,y,z)=(x,\sqrt[3]{y},\sqrt[5]{z})$ ?
Shouldn't that be $f(x,y,z)=(x,y^3,z^5)$? Alternatively, doesn't the above map $f$ go from $S^2$ to $Q$? (Worried)
 
Re: homeomorphism

Does f and f^-1 being continuous mean all partial derivatives exist?
 
Re: homeomorphism

Poirot said:
Does f and f^-1 being continuous mean all partial derivatives exist?
Not necessarily – you're looking for a homeomorphism, not a diffeomorphism. In other words, the map and its inverse need to be continuous, but not necessarily differentiable.
 
Re: homeomorphism

So what is the definition of f being continuous? Actually, being differentiable is a sufficent condition so that will do
 
Re: homeomorphism

Poirot said:
So what is the definition of f being continuous?
Aren't you supposed to know that by this stage? (Giggle)

Poirot said:
Actually, being differentiable is a sufficent condition so that will do
Correct – if you show that the map and its inverse are differentiable then that will imply continuity.
 
Re: homeomorphism

ha ha yes well I suppose I was looking for a sufficent but not neccesary condition - then realized that's just what I had.
 
Re: homeomorphism

How about $f:Q\longrightarrow S^2$ such that $f(x,y,z)=\frac{1}{||(x,y,z)||}(x,y,z)$ ?

$f$ is continuous. It's bijective and an open map, so $f^{-1}$ is continuous.
 
  • #10
Re: homeomorphism

Opalg said:
Shouldn't that be $f(x,y,z)=(x,y^3,z^5)$? Alternatively, doesn't the above map $f$ go from $S^2$ to $Q$? (Worried)

Of course, I meant $f:S^2\to Q$. Thanks. :)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 61 ·
3
Replies
61
Views
7K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 54 ·
2
Replies
54
Views
7K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
4K
  • · Replies 45 ·
2
Replies
45
Views
7K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K