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Yeah I know. But Nereid seems to challenge even that.Moonbear said:For clarity, when I referred to the data, I was referring only to the statistics for US murder rates, not worldwide differences.
As for worldwide, there are tons of articles of the problem of high crime rates involving incoming immigrants in Europe. A simple google search should provide many.
I don't think anyone would be naive to state that the high crimes of whites and blacks are equal in ANY country. Whether the US, whether South Africa, whether United Kingdom, etc.
Not true. She is not interested in any answers, she simply wants to ask one question after another after. It's called the "questions" defense. When you have nothing to present, this is a common tactic used. Go back and read this thread from page 1. Read all her threads. Tell me you don't notice a trend.Nereid's questions are all valid questions
I even gave her the option to actually have a debate. That we would each be allowed to ask one question at a time. Of course she refused. Most likely cause she isn't interested in having a debate but simply wants to just mouth off.
NOTHING here is related to the fact that there are crime gaps between races. How a mixed race person gets classified is absolutely futile and completely irrelevant. Unless you actually want to argue that there is a more proper way of classification that would eliminate the gap altogether. But I doubt you're trying to state that. This is just an example of moving away from the core topic simply cause it is not an easy topic to discuss for many people.I think the point Nereid is trying to make regarding the racial classifications is that in the US, it wasn't too far back in history that 1/8 black was defined as white, any higher percentage and they were defined as black. So, someone who is 50% black and 50% white would still wind up in the black category rather than half of those people being randomly assigned to the black group and the other half to the white group. And what about hispanics? Hispanic is a general term for someone of South American heritage who can be of Caucasian, African, or Native American ancestry (or a mix of any combination of those).
South Africa. There is a good example of a predominately black country of an enormous white-black crime gap. Study the black rule handover of 1993 of South Africa.Then, to support your point about crime rates being similarly racially split in around the world, you compare murder rates in the US to overall crime rates in the UK...apples and oranges. I also have not seen stats presented on the distribution of races in the UK. Further, if you want to show that there is a racial factor, then show the stats for some African nations...what percentages of crimes are committed by blacks vs whites in countries that have a predominantly black population?
J Rushton has quite a comprehensive study on this. But I'm assuming you're going to ignore it. And even with your study, it STILL showed an increase of testosterone of blacks. And who are you to decide that it's too small of a number to be noticeable. Is the 0.6% DNA difference between humans and chimps too small to be noticeable?And I see you're back to claiming testosterone levels differ between the races, despite my offering several sources of evidence this is not the case.
In your study, what is the testosterone level between males and females?
Why? Afterall there was as much gender data as there was race data in my 1st post. And the reason why men have a higher homicide rate and why blacks do would probably be at least partly the same reason. The reason of course being testosterone level. Also does your study happen to mention the testosterone level of asians?As for the issue of differences between the genders, since the discussion has led primarily down the race/ethnicity/ancestry question, it seems best to focus on that one issue first, then address the second issue of gender differences.
I GAVE Nereid the opportunity to have a debate. A debate is not where she asks a question and I have to answer. And then she asks 3 more questions and then I have to answer. And she asks 5 more questions and I have to answer. Also the vast majority of Nereid's questions were completely irrelevant. If she wants to attack the source then fine. But she should at least present some evidence to support it. Has she done this? No. I would say that makes her case very weak. Not to mention her lack of desire to have a proper debate.If you want us to accept your hypothesis, then you need to first demonstrate, with valid studies, that ALL of the other alternative hypotheses can be disproven. Basically, Nereid's questions are all directing you toward those alternative hypotheses, so by dismissing her questions, you are choosing to not disprove the alternatives, thus weakening your own argument.