Horizontal spring problem with friction?

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The discussion centers on solving a physics problem involving a 4-kg object sliding at 5 m/s that encounters friction before compressing a spring with a spring constant of 200 N/m. The key takeaway is that this scenario requires applying the law of mechanical energy with non-conservative forces, specifically friction, rather than a straightforward conservation of energy approach. The correct formula to use is the sum of energies before and after, adjusted for the work done by friction, represented as WNC = Ffdcosθ.

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Homework Statement


A 4-kg object sliding at speed 5 m/s along a smooth horizontal surface encounters a rough surface, 1.5 meters wide. The coefficient of kinetic friction over the rough surface is 0.20. After leaving the rough surface, the object continues over smooth surface until it strikes the ends of a horizontally-aligned spring, whose spring constant is 200 N/m, and whose opposite end is attached to a wall. What will be the maximum compression of the spring, in meters?

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I know this must be a conservation of energy problem.

0.5 mv2 + 0.5 kx2 = 0.5 mv02 + 0.5 kx02

But since friction is involved, I'm not sure how to incorporate it.
 
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Almost, this isn't a conservation of energy problem. This is the law of mechanical energy with Non-Conservative Forces.

Your formula should be something like:

[tex]\sum{E_{before}} = \sum{E_{after}} + W_{NC}[/tex]

so the total energy before is equal to the total energy after plus the work done by non conservative forces, in this case. Friction. remember its work not force. [tex]W_{NC} = F_fdcos\theta[/tex]
 
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Almost, this isn't a conservation of energy problem. This is the law of mechanical energy with Non-Conservative Forces.

Your formula should be something like:

[tex]\sum{E_{before}} = \sum{E_{after}} + W_{NC}[/tex]

so the total energy before is equal to the total energy after plus the work done by non conservative forces, in this case. Friction. remember its work not force. [tex]W_{NC} = F_fdcos\theta[/tex]

Thank you for the help! I was able to work it out!
 

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