Horizontal velocity over an uneven surface

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The discussion centers on calculating the speed of a ball sliding over an uneven frictionless surface, transitioning from a height of 8m to 3m. Initially, the ball has a horizontal speed of 10 m/s, but upon applying the conservation of energy principle, the final speed at height 3m is determined to be 14 m/s. The key insight is that the normal force, which acts perpendicular to the surface, has a horizontal component that affects the ball's velocity as it descends, contrary to the initial assumption that horizontal velocity remains constant in the absence of horizontal forces.

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Homework Statement


A small ball of m=1kg at height hp = 8m at point p, is given an initial horizontal speed vp = 10 m/s. It slides over an uneven frictionless surface. What is speed vq of the ball at height hq = 3m at point q?
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Homework Equations


Ui + KEi = Uf + KEf

The Attempt at a Solution


I figured out how to find the velocity at point q, but when I first did the problem, I thought that the horizontal velocity wouldn't change because there is no horizontal force acting on the ball. The surface is frictionless, so going back to kinematics, if you throw a ball at an angle, the horizontal velocity doesn't change because gravity only acts downward, so I thought it would remain at 10 m/s. But the speed actually increased to 14 m/s after I solved it using the total energy equation.
Why was my first way wrong?
 
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In this case the ball isn't falling, but sliding. The surface exercises a normal force on the ball that is directed perpendicular to the surface (hence the name normal). That normal force has a non-zero horizontal component, so it increases v when the ball goes down, and it slows the thing down when going uphill. Roller coaster physics !

(Of course, at Q the normal force is straight up again).
 
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Oh I see! I forgot about the normal force here. Thanks!
 

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