How are activity and decay constant different?

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The discussion centers on the differences between the activity of a radioactive sample and the decay constant, exploring their definitions, relationships, and implications in the context of radioactive decay. Participants engage in technical reasoning and clarification of concepts related to these terms.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define activity as the number of decays per unit time, represented mathematically as $$dN/dt$$, and note that it decreases over time as the sample decays.
  • Others argue that the decay constant is a characteristic of a particular nucleus and does not vary with time or the amount of material, contrasting it with activity which does change.
  • A few participants challenge the idea that activity and decay constant can have the same units, emphasizing that while both are expressed in s-1, they represent different physical concepts.
  • Some contributions clarify that the decay constant can be derived from the relationship between activity and the number of undecayed nuclei, suggesting a proportionality between them.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of "rate of decay," with some asserting it refers to the rate of occurrence of decay events, while others suggest it relates to the change in activity over time.
  • Confusion arises regarding the term "second time derivative," with participants attempting to clarify the distinction between first and second derivatives in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between activity and decay constant, with no consensus reached on whether they can be considered equivalent in terms of units or conceptual meaning. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of certain terms and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that dimensional analysis alone may not suffice to clarify the differences between activity and decay constant, suggesting that additional context is necessary to fully understand their relationship.

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What's the difference between activity of a radioactive sample and the decay constant. Both are measured in second inverse.
Please distinguish among the two?
 
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Activity is the number of decays / unit of time:

$$dN\over dt$$

When a sample decays, the number of candidates that have not decayed yet ##\ \ ## decreases, so the activity decreases with time. The time to decrease the activity to 1/e from an initial activity is the decay time ## \tau##

$${ dN\over dt} \left ( t_0+\tau\right ) = {1\over e} \ {dN\over dt}\left(t_0 \right ) $$

##\tau ## clearly has the dimension of time. Its inverse is the decay constant.


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One is the first time derivative and the other is a second time derivative OR a first derivative of a first derivative.
 
sophiecentaur said:
One is the first time derivative and the other is a second time derivative OR a first derivative of a first derivative.
I don't think so; they wouldn't have the same units, for a start.
Activity is the number of decays per unit time. If N = N0exp(-kt), where N0 is the number of radioactive atoms present at t = 0, the activity = -dN/dt = kN0exp(-kt). k is the decay constant (reciprocal of the decay time described above).
Important distinction: Activity varies with time and amount of material. Decay constant does not; it is characteristic of a particular nucleus.
 
Rate of decay is rate of change of rate of events.
Dimensional analysis of the situation is perfectly consistent. No 'paradox'.
 
mjc123 said:
I don't think so; they wouldn't have the same units, for a start.
Well observed. Some confusion arose from the term 'second time derivative' in post #3.

The idea is that activity is ##dN\over dt##, or rather ##-{dN\over dt}\ ##, and that the activity is proportional to the amount of decay candidates present, with a proportionality constant that we call the decay constant: $$-{dN\over dt}\ = \lambda N$$
 
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I can't see where the idea of "the same units" came from. How can they be the same units? The only similarity is the 'per second'.
 
sophiecentaur said:
Rate of decay is rate of change of rate of events.
Dimensional analysis of the situation is perfectly consistent. No 'paradox'.
I agree. But rate of decay is not decay constant.
 
sophiecentaur said:
I can't see where the idea of "the same units" came from. How can they be the same units? The only similarity is the 'per second'.
Exactly, the units for both are s-1. A second time derivative would have units s-2.
sophiecentaur said:
Rate of decay is rate of change of rate of events.
This makes no sense to me. Rate of decay is the rate of occurrence of decay events, equal to the rate of change of the number of undecayed nuclei. This is a first time derivative. "Rate of change of rate of events" is how the activity changes with time. Because of the exponential form of the equation, this is proportional to the activity, and has the same decay constant. Is this what you meant (interpreting "decay" as "decrease in activity" rather than "nuclear decay events")?
 
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sophiecentaur said:
How can they be the same units?
As an example, You can express torque in J. That doesn't make torque an energy. Typically it is written as Nm to make it look different, but it has the same units as energy.
Length and height of an object have the same units, that does not mean they are the same.
Two different things can have the same units, in this case dimensional analysis alone doesn't work.

The activity is the (negative) first time-derivative of the number of radioactive atoms in the sample.
The decay constant can be calculated as activity divided by the number of atoms in the sample. Note that the number of atoms is dimensionless.
 
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mjc123 said:
Rate of decay is the rate of occurrence of decay events,
No. It's there rate of decay of the rate of events. The term 'decay' doesn't refer to the radioactive fission event of an individual nucleus.
A property of the exponential function eaxis that the derivative is the same - apart from the constant.
so d(eax)/dx = aeax
The count at any time depends on the probability of an event, which is proportional to the number of unstable nuclei. The decay constant is the same whatever the number of nuclei are present.
Edit: The exponential decay of a discharging capacitor is not treated as a probabilistic process, so that's why I made the above comment.
mfb said:
As an example, You can express torque in J. That doesn't make torque an energy. Typically it is written as Nm to make it look different, but it has the same units as energy.
Length and height of an object have the same units, that does not mean they are the same.
Two different things can have the same units, in this case dimensional analysis alone doesn't work.

The activity is the (negative) first time-derivative of the number of radioactive atoms in the sample.
The decay constant can be calculated as activity divided by the number of atoms in the sample. Note that the number of atoms is dimensionless.
Right. The dimensions are not the relevant argument here then.
 
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mfb said:
but it has the same units as energy

To quibble, it has the same dimensions as energy. But you don't have a joule's worth of torque.
 

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