How are diatomic molecules formed?

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The discussion centers around the formation of diatomic molecules, exploring why certain atoms bind with others of the same element, such as O2 and N2, while others do not. Participants delve into the properties that enable these formations, including the nature of covalent bonds and the role of molecular orbitals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the exclusivity of covalent bonds in diatomic molecule formation, suggesting that a full octet contributes to stability.
  • Others point out that certain elements, like Beryllium, exhibit unusual bonding characteristics that challenge standard bonding theories.
  • There is a suggestion that the interaction of nuclei with electron wavefunctions may be a factor in bonding, though this is contested.
  • Some argue that the binding in certain diatomic molecules is complicated due to strong electron correlation rather than nuclear effects.
  • Participants note that homonuclear diatomic molecules have been observed for nearly all elements, except noble gases, which leads to questions about the stability of diatomic versus other molecular structures.
  • There is a discussion about the energy levels of commonly observed diatomic molecules compared to atomic gases, with some suggesting that lower energy states dominate under standard conditions.
  • The conversation includes a challenge regarding which elements do not form diatomic molecules, with some claiming that Carbon does not, while others assert that it does.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the factors influencing diatomic molecule formation, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions and properties that dictate these behaviors.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about bonding theories and the definitions of stability in molecular structures. The complexity of interactions and the role of energy states are also noted as areas requiring further clarification.

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Why do some atoms bind with other atoms of their own elements, such as O2 and N2, and why do others not? What property of these atoms enable them to do this?
 
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Are you asking about covalent bonds exclusively? The short answer is that "a full octet is more stable, so they share their electrons", but this does not cover the atoms that no not form covalent dimers, like Be. The long answer involves what are called binding and antibinding molecular orbitals. I advice you to consult any first year university chemistry textbook for an introduction to this topic.
 
espen180 said:
this does not cover the atoms that no not form covalent dimers, like Be.

Ah, but Beryllium http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5934/1548.abstract" form a covalent dimer! Or perhaps I should say 'covalent-ish'; there really isn't a word for that peculiar bond, although it's certainly stronger than can be accounted for by 'proper' dispersion forces (which is what most theory would predict to be the only bonding force). You could say the bond is too weak to be covalent and too short to be dispersion.

It's a noteworthy failure of all the simple bonding theories (MO, VB, Lewis).
 
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Wow, thanks for that interesting read! :biggrin:

Judging by the references provided, all the Earth alkali metals actually form dimers! My first "instinct" is that the error of the standard bonding models arise because they don't take into account the effect of both nuclei on the electron wavefunctions. Is that the case?
 
No, the nuclei aren't important. The binding in Be_2 etc. is so complicated due to strong correlation of the electrons.
 
DrDu said:
No, the nuclei aren't important. The binding in Be_2 etc. is so complicated due to strong correlation of the electrons.

I still don't see how they form. I mean I know Alkaline metals are reactive, but Nitrogen and Oxygen due this. Why don't other elements? And both ionic and covalent bonds.
 
I don't see the basis for your question. In gas phase, homonuclear diatomic molecules of practically all elements have been observed. With the exception of the bonding between noble gasses, these bonds are considerably stronger than van der Waals bonds, i.e. they are really covalent bonds. The classic reference is G. Herzberg, Molecular Spectra and Molecular Structure: Spectra of Diatomic Molecules
 
If I understand correctly what is LogicalAcid current level of education, diatomics other than those most basic (H2, N2, O2 and halogens) are too esoteric to be not confusing.

It is all in energy - those commonly observed have much lover energy than atomic gases, so they dominate in conditions that we assume standard (around 1 atm and around room temperature). Those exotic ones have lower energy too, but the difference is very small, so they can survive only in gas phase and at low pressures, as in the presence of other elements they have many other ways of getting to the lowest energy state.
 
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You are probably right Borek, nevertheless then I do not quite understand what the question is. Maybe that not for all elements the diatomic molecules are the most stable ones in comparison with other struktures? I think LocigalAcid could precise that point.
 
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DrDu said:
You are probably right Borek, nevertheless then I do not quite understand what the question is. Maybe that not for all elements the diatomic molecules are the most stable ones in comparison with other struktures? I think LocigalAcid could precise that point.

Basically, why do some elements form diatomic molecules and others not?
 
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Tell me an element besides the noble gasses which does not form a diatomic molecule.
 
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DrDu said:
Tell me an element besides the noble gasses which does not form a diatomic molecule.

I believe Carbon does not.
 
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It does.
 

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