How are Differential Equations usually found in real world applications?

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The discussion centers on the role of differential equations (DEs) in real-world applications, exploring how they are formulated, discovered, and utilized across various fields such as physics, engineering, and biology. Participants examine the relationship between simpler functions and DEs, as well as the methods of deriving and solving them.

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  • One participant expresses curiosity about whether DEs are typically derived from simpler relationships between functions, using kinematic equations as an example.
  • Another participant explains that all derivatives can be considered trivial differential equations and discusses various forms of DEs, including partial differential equations and integral equations.
  • A third participant provides a specific example of a DE related to beam bending under uniform load, illustrating how displacement can be calculated using finite methods.
  • One participant mentions the broad applicability of DEs in fields such as heat transfer, fluid mechanics, and biology, highlighting their mathematical elegance and power.
  • A participant questions whether basic relationships are typically discovered before DEs or vice versa, suggesting that experimental findings often lead to simpler relationships that are then expressed as DEs.
  • The same participant inquires about resources that focus on deriving DEs rather than just solving them, proposing that this process could be termed modeling DEs.

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Participants express varying perspectives on the discovery and derivation of differential equations, with no consensus reached on whether basic relationships or DEs are found first. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the methodologies and resources for modeling DEs.

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Some participants note the complexity of higher-order differential equations and the various methods for solving them, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and contexts that are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics, engineering, mathematics, and related fields who are exploring the application and derivation of differential equations in real-world scenarios.

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I just started learning about DE's and am impressed by how much information they contain. Are they usually just a relationship between several simpler functions?

For instance, a basic kinematic problem like v = at + vo seems quite hard to come up with experimentally but v = d/t would be easy. Thanks for any help.
 
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Technically any derivative is a differential equation, just a trivial one.
For instance
d(f(x))/dx=f'(x)
since first derivatives can be treated as fractions,
d(f(x))=f'(x)dx
then integrating we get f(x)=int(f'(x)dx)

But obviously DE's can come in all shapes and forms and there are even such things as partial differential equations, integral equations, and difference equations which are very closely related to differential equations. But yes and no, any solution of a differential equation is in terms of some function. This is because your given an equation that is in terms of a function's derivatives and your asked to find the function which satisfies that equation. As I showed before sometimes it is simple algebra tricks and then integration. But for most higher order differential equations there are various methods and some of them are very complicated, while some are brute force methods such as series solutions, while still some methods are very elegant. In physics the first higher order equations that you will come across are usually oscillation. As for your last question the first equation v=at+v(0) is actually the solution of one of those trivial differential equations that I showed you before where v(0) is the initial velocity, then for constant acceleration a(t)=d(v(t))/dt=a implies that d(v(t))=adt and integrating we obtain that v(t)=at+C where C is the constant of integration and evaluating at 0 we have v(0)=0+C=C which implies that v(t)=at+v(0). You are very right though, they are an extremely elegant method to solving physical problems.
 
In a beam bending with a uniform load w, the displacement can be related to

EI d4v/dx4 +w = 0

and applying certain finite methods one can find the displacement (angular and linear) at some point in the beam.
 
heat transfer, fluid mechanics, physics, biology, chemistry, all types of applications ranging to describe heat diffusion to cell displacement on a substrate

... they are fun, powerful mathematics
 
I should have retitled this thread to "How are Differential Equations usually *discovered* in real world applications?"

Are basic relationships usually found first then the derivatives of those then applied to a differential equations? Or are the differential equations usually found first?

Thinking from an experimental standpoint it would seem that the basic relationships are found first then the complex part later. The reason I ask is because the examples in my book seem to suggest the D.E's are found easily. Then instead of coming up with the D.E.'s as exercises we just use them and solve them. By the way, are there any books that focus on deriving differential equations instead of just solving them? Would this be called modeling D.E.'s?
 

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