How are large compounds/molecules formed?

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The discussion centers on the formation of large compounds and molecules, emphasizing that stability is not absolute and can vary based on the context of chemical reactions. It is established that while some products, like water and carbon dioxide, are highly stable, other products may be less stable, influencing the reaction dynamics. Additionally, the concept of entropy plays a crucial role in driving reactions, indicating that reactions can proceed due to increasing entropy rather than solely the stability of products. The conversation clarifies that stability is relative and must be considered within the broader scope of all reaction products.

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If the purpose of elements reacting was to stabilize the atoms, then after a standard reaction shouldn't the atoms be completely stable, instead of having to form compounds/molecules of 10+ atoms?
 
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LogicalAcid said:
If the purpose of elements reacting was to stabilize the atoms,
What do you mean 'the purpose' of a reaction?

LogicalAcid said:
then after a standard reaction shouldn't the atoms be completely stable
There is no such thing as 'completely' stable (for all intents and purposes), you can be arbitrarily stable or unstable.

LogicalAcid said:
instead of having to form compounds/molecules of 10+ atoms?
large compounds can still be highly stable, and more importantly, stable enough to exist.

Can you elaborate on what you're asking exactly.
 
Large molecules and compounds.

For example, let's take Carbon in its pure elemental form. I thought that when elements react with one another, they become more and more stable, so how is it that when they react, which makes a much more stable compound/molecule, they still react with other elements? I thought that each reaction makes the compound/molecule more and more stable, so how is it that very large molecules/compounds form if the pieces that make them up were supposed to be completely stable after 2-3 reactions keep on reacting a large number of times to form compounds/molecules with a large number of atoms? Is it that even when elements react, the bond is never completely stable? Please explain?
 


LogicalAcid said:
I thought that when elements react with one another, they become more and more stable

That's where you are wrong. In short - you can't look at a single product of the reaction, you have to look at everything that happens.

Imagine you have a reaction with more than one product, it may happen that one of these products is highly stable (like water, or carbon dioxide, or sodium chloride) and its stability is what is driving the reaction - but other product is much less stable.

It may also happen that the reaction is driven not by the stability of the products, but by the increasing entropy of the system.

Note that I used term "stability" rather lousily, just to answer the question in terms you have used.
 


Borek said:
That's where you are wrong. In short - you can't look at a single product of the reaction, you have to look at everything that happens.

Imagine you have a reaction with more than one product, it may happen that one of these products is highly stable (like water, or carbon dioxide, or sodium chloride) and its stability is what is driving the reaction - but other product is much less stable.

It may also happen that the reaction is driven not by the stability of the products, but by the increasing entropy of the system.

Note that I used term "stability" rather lousily, just to answer the question in terms you have used.

I thought entropy was energy not able to be used in a reaction? please explain?
 

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