How are very low temperatures(-180k) measured?

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of very low temperatures, specifically focusing on techniques and instruments suitable for cryogenic temperatures, including those around -180 degrees Celsius. Participants explore various types of thermometers and sensors, their calibration, and practical considerations in cryogenic thermometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a thermometer is essential for measuring low temperatures, but emphasize that standard thermometers need to be calibrated for cryogenic use.
  • There is mention of specific sensors like silicon diodes and Schottky diodes that can be used for measuring temperatures down to -180 degrees Celsius, provided they are calibrated correctly.
  • One participant raises the complexity of measuring very low temperatures (below 0.3K) and mentions techniques like Coulomb blockade thermometry, although it is noted that this method is not commonly used.
  • Concerns are raised about heat leakage from thermometers, particularly with thermocouples, which could affect measurements at low temperatures.
  • A participant references a thermal physics book discussing various temperature scales and methods used for thermometry below certain temperature thresholds, including the use of platinum resistance thermometers and helium scales.
  • Another participant suggests practical resources, including books on cryogenic thermometry, and mentions the availability of sensors from companies like Lakeshore, highlighting the cost and accuracy considerations for different sensors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of low temperatures, with some arguing that -180 degrees Celsius is not considered low in the context of cryogenics. There is no consensus on the best methods or instruments for measuring very low temperatures, as various approaches and techniques are discussed without agreement on a single solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of different thermometers can depend on calibration and the specific temperature range being measured. There are unresolved questions about the best practices for calibration and the selection of appropriate sensors for various temperature ranges.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in cryogenic physics, thermometry, and the practical aspects of measuring low temperatures in experimental settings.

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okie so cyrogenic processor is one thing but there has to be some phenomenon which is used to measure cyrogenic temperature?
 
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I am not sure I understand your question.
All you need in order to measure low temperatures is a thermometer.
A thermometer designed to be used at or near room temperature (300K) will obviously not work very well at cryogenic temperatures, but that is to a large extent because it is not calibrated (and the materials used are not ideal for very low temperatures).
Some temperature sensors that are used at low temperatures (silicon diodes), work quite OK even well above room temperature.

Now, measuring VERY low temperatures (below say 0.3K) is somewhat trickier, but -180 degrees C can be measured even with something as simple as a 50p schottky diode as long as you calibrate it first, all you need to do is to bias it as some current and then measure how the voltage changes with temperature.

edit: Take a look at the following webpage
http://www.lakeshore.com/temp/sen/smindex.html

Lakeshore is one of the biggest suppliers of temperature sensors and e.g. their DT470 Si diode is widely used (I am in fact installing one in a probe tomorrow)
 
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Using a piece of equiptment delicate enough to observe the electron movement is one way, and probably the most effective.
 
luke1970 said:
Using a piece of equiptment delicate enough to observe the electron movement is one way, and probably the most effective.

Eh? I have no idea what you are referring to here.
There are many different types of thermometers that works well at low temperatures. But single electron transport isn't a very practical starting point for thermometry at any temperature.
It is possible to do perform temperature measurements using what is known as Coloumb blockade thermometry (which is sort of based on single electron transport); but it is a complicated technique and is never -as far as I know- used routinely.

Also, -180 degrees C is NOT a low temperature; it is not even liquid nitrogen temperature. Even a thermocouple will work reasonably well at 77K.
 
The main difficulty in cryogenic thermometers is limiting the heat leak in from the thermometer.
A thermocouple has fairly large, fairly high conductivity wires, if you had a very small cold part the heat leakage down the wires could be significant.
 
This is what my thermal physics book has to say about the subject:

In the range between 13.81 and 903.89 K...a platinum resistance thermometer is used as the interpolating instrument [between various levels of the IPTS, which has various phase-transition based "official" temperatures]...Below 13.81 K no precisely defined procedure has been agreed. In the range between 5.2 and 13.81 K various scales based on the vapor pressure of hydrogen are in practical use. Below 5.12 K...down to about .3 K the 1958 and 1962 helium scales are widely used as de facto extensions of IPTS 1968

Beyond that discussion of practical laboratory thermometry, it delves a bit into the theoretical underpinnings of thermometry earlier, during which it hints at how ultra-low temperature measurements are made--via electronic or nuclear spins (which it says are used to below 1 millikelvin).
 
f95toli said:
I am not sure I understand your question.
All you need in order to measure low temperatures is a thermometer.
A thermometer designed to be used at or near room temperature (300K) will obviously not work very well at cryogenic temperatures, but that is to a large extent because it is not calibrated (and the materials used are not ideal for very low temperatures).
Some temperature sensors that are used at low temperatures (silicon diodes), work quite OK even well above room temperature.

Now, measuring VERY low temperatures (below say 0.3K) is somewhat trickier, but -180 degrees C can be measured even with something as simple as a 50p schottky diode as long as you calibrate it first, all you need to do is to bias it as some current and then measure how the voltage changes with temperature.

edit: Take a look at the following webpage
http://www.lakeshore.com/temp/sen/smindex.html

Lakeshore is one of the biggest suppliers of temperature sensors and e.g. their DT470 Si diode is widely used (I am in fact installing one in a probe tomorrow)
but can't i find a proper method , on when to claibrate , which special thermometers or diodes are used and how they function ? Thanks for your help !
 
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There are several books about cryogenic thermometry. However, if you want a practical guide I would recommend Pobell's "Matter and Methods at Low Temperatures".

That said, it is not really that complicated. Just buy a sensor suitable for the temperature range you are interested in from e.g. Lakeshore (see the link above). A sensor that follows a standard resistance vs. temperature curve (which is usually accurate enough) costs something like $200.
It is convenient to read out the sensor using a dedicated temperature controller, but you can also use e.g. an ordinary resistance bridge or something similar. For temperatures this high even a normal bench-top multimeter might work (self-heating isn't really an issue at temperatures as high as 100K).
 
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Thank you so so so much ! I really appreciate your help. I am trying to find this book on internet but it seems like i have to pay $25 bucks for this thing and i only want one chapter from it. Thanks again.
 
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f95toli said:
That said, it is not really that complicated. Just buy a sensor suitable for the temperature range you are interested in from e.g. Lakeshore (see the link above). A sensor that follows a standard resistance vs. temperature curve (which is usually accurate enough) costs something like $200.
If you don't need 50mK accuracy and repeatability, you could probably find a Pt RTD for about half that price.
 

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