How best to photograph the Lyrid meteor shower

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The discussion revolves around the best practices for photographing the Lyrid meteor shower, focusing on equipment choices, exposure strategies, and optimal settings for capturing meteors. Participants share their experiences and considerations regarding lens selection, exposure times, ISO settings, and the importance of dark skies for successful astrophotography.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is uncertain about the optimal lens to use, weighing options between an 85mm telephoto and a 24mm wide-angle lens, noting the field of view differences.
  • Another participant suggests that for a full-frame camera, a 24-50mm lens is suitable, while for a crop sensor, a 14-35mm lens would provide a similar field of view.
  • Concerns are raised about exposure times, with one participant mentioning that star trails become noticeable at 1-3 seconds, while background light pollution limits exposure at ISO 100 to around 10 seconds.
  • There is a discussion about the balance between ISO and aperture, with one participant questioning whether to stop down the lens to minimize aberrations or leave it wide open for lower ISO settings.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of reaching darker skies to effectively observe and photograph meteors, claiming that without doing so, many meteors will be missed.
  • One participant shares their experience of using a 24mm lens with an ISO of 500-800 and fully open aperture for 20-25 seconds, while cautioning against using f/22 due to light restrictions.
  • There is a strong assertion that meteors will appear fainter in photographs than they do to the naked eye, leading to surprises when reviewing images.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the optimal lens and exposure settings, with no clear consensus on the best approach to photographing the meteor shower. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the ideal balance of ISO and aperture, as well as the necessity of dark skies.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specific conditions such as light pollution and the characteristics of different lenses, but these factors remain context-dependent and unresolved in terms of their impact on the final photographic results.

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I'm hoping for some advice from those who know better. The Lyrid meteor shower is going to be best viewed here (North America) in the 'wee hours' of April 22 (call it 2 am). Since I'm not a vampire, I'd like to make a plan now in order to prevent making a stupid mistake due to being mostly asleep.

I'm not sure what the optimal lens to use is- I have a choice of three, ranging from moderate telephoto (85mm) to wide angle (24 mm), all about the same maximum f/#. To give a sense of the field of view, 85mm will just fit the entire constellation Orion in the frame, while 24mm will fit about 20% of the sky. I'm not sure how 'big' the meteor shower will be.

I'm also not sure what the best strategy is- longest possible exposure times (say minutes), or more moderate ones? Again, to give a sense of my reality, star trails become noticeable around 1-3s exposure (depending on the lens), and the background light pollution becomes objectionable (using ISO 100) at around 10s (full aperture) or 15 minutes (f/22).

Related to this, in terms of ISO/aperture balancing, should the lens should be stopped down some to minimize aberrations, forcing a higher ISO setting, or leave the lens wide open and use a lower ISO?

Or can I stop the lens down *and* use a low ISO setting because the meteors are so bright?

Thanks!
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
@Andy Resnick any new insights regarding this?
Wow... necro post! Other than "there should be clear skies" :), I can add some results from personal experience, for example a more general context of signal-to-background as a function of different focal length. Maybe roll this into the existing astrophotography guide?
 
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Andy Resnick said:
I'm not sure what the optimal lens to use is- I have a choice of three, ranging from moderate telephoto (85mm) to wide angle (24 mm), all about the same maximum f/#. To give a sense of the field of view, 85mm will just fit the entire constellation Orion in the frame, while 24mm will fit about 20% of the sky. I'm not sure how 'big' the meteor shower will be.
24 - 50mm on a full frame camera or conversely 14 - 35mm on a crop sensor to get roughly the same FOV
I nearly always use a 50mm on my Canon 6D full frame DSLR

Andy Resnick said:
I'm also not sure what the best strategy is- longest possible exposure times (say minutes), or more moderate ones? Again, to give a sense of my reality, star trails become noticeable around 1-3s exposure (depending on the lens), and the background light pollution becomes objectionable (using ISO 100) at around 10s (full aperture) or 15 minutes (f/22).

For meteor showers, you really need to make the effort to get to darker skies, else you will miss 90% of them.
I can do 20-25 sec using a 24mm lens on the FF 6D. with an ISO of around 500 - 800 and fully open aperture
ie ... as open as the lens will do ... my 24 - 105 lens is f/4 across its range. The 14mm is f/2.8 ... gives a much
wider FOV but it's harder to see anything but the brightest meteors with such a wide FOV.
Anyway ...it's all academic, you can crop the image in post to remove any outer edge field aberrations.

If you are going to do multi minutes and untracked, then you don't care about the star trails, rather just
capturing as many as possible. ... and no don't do f/22 ... you are shutting out too much light

Andy Resnick said:
Related to this, in terms of ISO/aperture balancing, should the lens should be stopped down some to minimize aberrations, forcing a higher ISO setting, or leave the lens wide open and use a lower ISO?

If you are using a fast lens say f/1.8, you really don't need to stop it down any more than around one stop say f/2.8

I will repeat this again in bold letters

GET TO A DARK SITE ! you are pretty much wasting your time if you don't
Andy Resnick said:
Or can I stop the lens down *and* use a low ISO setting because the meteors are so bright?

no, no and no ... seriously, they won't look anywhere near as bright on camera as you see them with your eye
I have always be very surprised when I looked through my images to see how faint they looked compared to
how I saw them by eye ... many just didn't even show up on camera and I am thinking ... WTH ... I know
I should have captured those ones, they were in the camera FOV !Dave
 

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