How big and bright is the Sun seen from 120 AU?

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The discussion revolves around the apparent size and brightness of the Sun as observed from a distance of 120 astronomical units (AU), specifically from the perspective of the Voyager 1 spacecraft. Participants explore the implications of this distance on the Sun's magnitude and angular size, engaging in both theoretical and conceptual reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Sun would appear very bright at 120 AU, estimating its magnitude to be around -16.3, which is significantly brighter than the full moon's magnitude of -12.7.
  • One participant mentions that despite its brightness, the Sun would appear as a virtual point source at that distance.
  • A participant provides a mathematical explanation of the angular size of the Sun's disk, indicating that it would be approximately 15 arc seconds at 120 AU, based on the formula involving the Sun's radius and distance.
  • Another participant raises a related question about the acceleration of Voyager 1, inquiring about the causes of its continued acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the brightness of the Sun at 120 AU, but there are varying levels of detail and emphasis on its angular size and the implications of its appearance as a point source. The discussion remains open regarding the specifics of the calculations and the implications of Voyager 1's acceleration.

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The discussion includes mathematical approximations and assumptions regarding angular size, which depend on the definitions of distance and radius. The implications of the Sun's brightness and size are not fully resolved, and participants do not reach a consensus on the exact magnitude or the effects of distance on perception.

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Hi all

Currently, Voyager 1 is about 120 AU from the Sun. I wonder how big (or small) and bright would the Sun be seen from aboard this spacecraft . What approximate magnitude?.

Thanks in advance.
 
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beginner49 said:
Hi all

Currently, Voyager 1 is about 120 AU from the Sun. I wonder how big (or small) and bright would the Sun be seen from aboard this spacecraft . What approximate magnitude?.

Thanks in advance.

Here, thanks to Caltech, is an artist's conception of the Sun from the vicinity of Sedna at 8 billion miles' (about 86 AU) distance:

sedna-art.jpg
 
It's still very bright, even at 120 au, at about magnitude -16.3 [the full moon from Earth is about -12.7. So you would easily be able to read a newspaper. It would, however, be a virtual point source at that distance.
 
BadBrain and Chronos

Thanks a lot for your replies. That of being able to read a newspaper is a very interesting detail.

thanks again.
 
On a related topic, I heard that voyager was still accelerating, why? What causes it to accelerate further?
 
The angular size θ of the Sun's disk is given by the formula:
[tex] \sin \left( \frac{\theta}{2} \right) = \frac{R_S}{d}[/tex]
where RS is the radius of the Sun, and d is the distance from it.

Because the distance is much larger than the Sun's radius, the sine is very small. Therefore, to a sufficient precision we may substitute:
[tex] \sin \left( \frac{\theta}{2} \right) \approx \frac{\theta}{2}[/tex]
provided that we measure the angle in radians. Nevertheless, we see that:
[tex] \theta \approx \frac{2 R_S}{d} \propto \frac{1}{d}[/tex]
the angular size is approximately inversely proportional to the distance. At 1 A.U. (the Earth), the angular size of the Sun is about 31' (arc minutes). Therefore, at 120 A.U. it is:
[tex] \theta = \frac{31 '}{120} \times \frac{60 ''}{1 '} = 15.5 ''[/tex]
that is about 15 arc seconds.
 

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