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The discussion revolves around the nature of glass and glass ceramics, particularly focusing on the definition of glass, its components, and the glass transition phenomenon. Participants explore the characteristics that differentiate glass from crystalline materials and the implications for materials used in glass ceramics.

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  • One participant notes that glass can be considered a material with short-range order but long-range disorder, contrasting it with crystalline structures that have long-range order.
  • Another participant mentions that the glass transition is a significant unresolved question in physics, suggesting that the understanding of glass is still evolving.
  • There is a discussion about the absence of a defined "glass component," with one participant stating that there are no specific components that universally define glass, and mentioning the existence of metallic glasses.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the term "glass component" in relation to their materials, specifically questioning how to classify materials like chitosan in this context.
  • Participants agree that the glassy state arises when molecules are "frozen in" an amorphous configuration due to rapid cooling, preventing the formation of a crystalline structure.
  • There is acknowledgment of the role of techniques like FTIR in analyzing materials to confirm their glassy nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the characteristics of glass and the glass transition but express differing views on the definition of a "glass component." The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of materials and the specific criteria that define glass.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the lack of consensus on the definition of glass components and the varying interpretations of what constitutes a glassy state versus crystalline materials. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the glass transition phenomenon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and researchers in materials science, particularly those focused on glass ceramics, polymer science, and the study of phase transitions in materials.

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regards,
i m doing my MSc in glass ceramic, i ve read in journals saying that when glass are heated above its crystallization temperature, it can be considered to transformed into glass ceramics, and of course if has to undergo XRD or FTIR or FESEM to confirm it, but how can we say that it is glass? what is the glass component?
i m using lithium acetate, aluminium oxide, titanium oxide and ammonia dihydrogen phosphate as starting material.

Thanks in advance :cool:
 
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do an absorption spectrum of the material.
 
jied said:
regards,
i m doing my MSc in glass ceramic, i ve read in journals saying that when glass are heated above its crystallization temperature, it can be considered to transformed into glass ceramics, and of course if has to undergo XRD or FTIR or FESEM to confirm it, but how can we say that it is glass? what is the glass component?
i m using lithium acetate, aluminium oxide, titanium oxide and ammonia dihydrogen phosphate as starting material.

Thanks in advance :cool:

If I understand your question, a glassy state is defined as having short-range order but long-range disorder; crystals have long-range order.

That said, the glass transition is considered one of the most outstanding unanswered questions in physics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_transition

does that help?
 
Sybren said:
do an absorption spectrum of the material.

yes, thank you. and i understand FTIR is one of the method for this technique. i m waiting for the result as we speak :smile:

what i do not understand is the glass component. for example, if we use chitosan to make a sample, then we say that the sample is a polymer. i ve searched every journals, and many books i read doesn't state a glass component.

Andy, thanks for reviewing my question, and it sure help. i m actually doing a glass ceramic conducting material, which needs me to understand glass transitions, but i still can't get myself clear.
 
In a melt, the molecules are randomly aligned. In order to crystallize, they need to orient themselves into a regular, periodic array. Below a certain temperature, the necessary movements can not occur, and the molecules are "frozen in". This temperature is the glass transition. If cooling occurs quickly enough, the molecules are stuck in an amorphous configuration, without the long range order or periodicity of a crystal. We call this phase glass.

Chitosan is a polymer because of its chemical bonding. You can have glassy polymers, but generally polymers are considered a separate category. Disregarding that, there's no "component" that defines a glass. There are even metallic glasses, although again, these may be considered a separate category.
 
johng23 said:
In a melt, the molecules are randomly aligned. In order to crystallize, they need to orient themselves into a regular, periodic array. Below a certain temperature, the necessary movements can not occur, and the molecules are "frozen in". This temperature is the glass transition. If cooling occurs quickly enough, the molecules are stuck in an amorphous configuration, without the long range order or periodicity of a crystal. We call this phase glass.

Chitosan is a polymer because of its chemical bonding. You can have glassy polymers, but generally polymers are considered a separate category. Disregarding that, there's no "component" that defines a glass. There are even metallic glasses, although again, these may be considered a separate category.

Thanks so much. i can now relate what i have read about glass transition. we can only be sure that the samples are glass, thought its structure, if i understand your explanation.

thank you so much for the replies and help. Only God knows how much this has helped me. :smile:
 

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