How can botnets be prevented from becoming distributed computing clusters?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between botnets and distributed computing clusters, specifically focusing on why botnets do not function like WAN Beowulf clusters. Participants explore the implications of distributed computing in the context of botnets and legitimate projects like BOINC and SETI@HOME.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what prevents a botnet from functioning similarly to a WAN Beowulf cluster, suggesting that the differences may not be as significant as they seem.
  • Others inquire about the distinctions between projects like BOINC and SETI@HOME and the operational mechanics of botnets, particularly regarding task distribution to home PCs.
  • One participant notes that both botnets and high-throughput computing (HTC) clusters may utilize user workstations without the user's control, although HTC clusters typically have configurations to minimize disruption to users.
  • A later reply highlights that communication methods differ significantly, with clusters allowing direct communication between nodes, while botnets often rely on a master node due to firewall restrictions.

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Participants express differing views on the similarities and differences between botnets and distributed computing clusters, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on specific protocols used by botnets versus clusters, as well as the assumptions regarding user control and communication methods in distributed systems.

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THIS IS NOT A HACKING QUESTION, I am just interested in distributed computing.

I was wondering if anybody around might know what prevents a "botnet" from being something like a WAN beowulf cluster?

Thanks, :)
 
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How is a project like BOINC and SETI@HOME, different from the way a botnet gives large amounts of regular home PCs tasks?
 
Mk said:
First,
THIS IS NOT A HACKING QUESTION, I am just interested in distributed computing.

I was wondering if anybody around might know what prevents a "botnet" from being something like a WAN beowulf cluster?

Thanks, :)

...actually the differences between a botnet and for example a HTC cluster (of which have most experience) are fairly small I'd say. In both (at least with a typical config) if a user's workstation is utilized they don't necessarily have much control over what the cluster software is doing on their computers and when (Ok, if use personal workstations as a part of a HTC cluster typically configure the cluster appls to run only when the station is idle or during nighttime etc.). Sure a botnet if understood in a typical context goes "somewhat" beyond. How similar is the coding underneath and what protocols they utilize ... hmmmm :confused:
 
One difference is the communications in the cluster.
A cluster normally allows direct communications between nodes, sometimes this is even a very expensive high performance network like InfiniBand rather than just ethernet.
A SETI or botnet cannot easily communicate between machines because of firewalls and so all coms is to the master node.
 

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