How Can I Build a DIY High Vacuum System Using Copper Instead of Glass?

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This discussion focuses on constructing a high and ultra-high vacuum system using copper instead of glass, as outlined in the book "Building Scientific Apparatus." Copper is preferred for its cost-effectiveness and ease of processing, specifically High Conductivity Oxygen Free (HCOF) copper for ultra-high vacuum applications. Participants discuss sealing methods for standard gas valves, suggesting high vacuum grease and historical solutions like red sealing wax and Glyptal (1201B) for small leaks. The conversation emphasizes the importance of using appropriate materials and sealing techniques to ensure system integrity.

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  • Understanding of high vacuum systems and their requirements
  • Familiarity with materials like High Conductivity Oxygen Free (HCOF) copper
  • Knowledge of sealing techniques for vacuum applications
  • Awareness of Conflat standards and their applications in vacuum systems
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  • Research the properties and applications of High Conductivity Oxygen Free (HCOF) copper
  • Explore sealing methods for vacuum systems, including high vacuum grease and historical materials
  • Learn about Conflat standards and their compatibility with copper systems
  • Investigate the use of Glyptal (1201B) and red sealing wax for leak repairs in vacuum applications
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This discussion is beneficial for DIY enthusiasts, experimental physicists, and engineers interested in building or optimizing high and ultra-high vacuum systems using alternative materials like copper.

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What can be used as valves
Hello
I would like to build a high and ultra high vacuum system And I found a very simple way to do it in the book: "Building scientific apparatus "
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But the apparatus in the original is made of glass what is not for me optimal because I don't have the right tools to process them and the glass It is not very reusable .So I thought about copper because it is used in high vacuum systems it is cheap and easy to process but the system has constrictions (labels s) so I want to use standard valves for gas but I don't know if they will be able to be tight enough on their own So can I somehow seal them because for now I was thinking of putting a solid amount of high vacuum grease on them?
 
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Have you looked at the Conflat standards you can buy from Lesker or Agilent, for example?
 
Ludek said:
TL;DR Summary: What can be used as valves

I would like to build a high and ultra high vacuum system . . .
Ludek said:
TL;DR Summary: What can be used as valves

So I thought about copper because it is used in high vacuum systems it is cheap and easy to process
If you use copper in an ultra high vacuum it should be HCOF (High Conductivity Oxygen Free) copper. Most that I have seen are stanless steel. or glass which can be baked if necessary to out gas them.
 
It seems that back in the old days all the experimental physicists used red sealing wax like that used by the Bank of England.
 
The go-to in my lab for quick fixes of small leaks was Glyptal,(1201B?) a red high viscosity insulating enamel paint, but not for ultra high vacuums. It is still available.
 
Albertus Magnus said:
Wygląda na to, że dawniej wszyscy fizycy eksperymentalni używali czerwonego laku, takiego jak ten używany przez Bank Anglii.
TIt could use something like this Where the wax will be melted to seal
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Orange - copperBlue-meral Cream - molecular sieves
Black - rubberGreen - Titanium
Pink - wax Purple thermos
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