How Can I Build a DIY High Vacuum System Using Copper Instead of Glass?

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The discussion revolves around building a DIY high and ultra high vacuum system using copper instead of glass. Participants explore various sealing methods and materials suitable for achieving vacuum integrity, as well as the properties of copper in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using copper for its cost-effectiveness and ease of processing, but questions the sealing capability of standard gas valves in high vacuum applications.
  • Another participant recommends considering Conflat standards from manufacturers like Lesker or Agilent for reliable vacuum components.
  • It is noted that for ultra high vacuum applications, High Conductivity Oxygen Free (HCOF) copper is preferable, as most systems typically use stainless steel or glass that can be baked to remove contaminants.
  • A historical reference is made to the use of red sealing wax by experimental physicists in the past as a sealing method.
  • One participant mentions using Glyptal, a red high viscosity insulating enamel paint, for sealing small leaks, although it is not suitable for ultra high vacuum conditions.
  • A later post discusses the potential use of melted wax as a sealing method, listing various materials and their corresponding colors for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best sealing methods and materials for high and ultra high vacuum systems. There is no consensus on a single approach, and multiple viewpoints regarding the use of copper and sealing techniques remain present.

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Participants mention various materials and methods without resolving the effectiveness or suitability of each for specific vacuum conditions. The discussion reflects a range of historical and contemporary practices without definitive conclusions.

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Individuals interested in DIY vacuum systems, experimental physics, or materials science may find the discussion relevant.

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TL;DR
What can be used as valves
Hello
I would like to build a high and ultra high vacuum system And I found a very simple way to do it in the book: "Building scientific apparatus "
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But the apparatus in the original is made of glass what is not for me optimal because I don't have the right tools to process them and the glass It is not very reusable .So I thought about copper because it is used in high vacuum systems it is cheap and easy to process but the system has constrictions (labels s) so I want to use standard valves for gas but I don't know if they will be able to be tight enough on their own So can I somehow seal them because for now I was thinking of putting a solid amount of high vacuum grease on them?
 
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Have you looked at the Conflat standards you can buy from Lesker or Agilent, for example?
 
Ludek said:
TL;DR Summary: What can be used as valves

I would like to build a high and ultra high vacuum system . . .
Ludek said:
TL;DR Summary: What can be used as valves

So I thought about copper because it is used in high vacuum systems it is cheap and easy to process
If you use copper in an ultra high vacuum it should be HCOF (High Conductivity Oxygen Free) copper. Most that I have seen are stanless steel. or glass which can be baked if necessary to out gas them.
 
It seems that back in the old days all the experimental physicists used red sealing wax like that used by the Bank of England.
 
The go-to in my lab for quick fixes of small leaks was Glyptal,(1201B?) a red high viscosity insulating enamel paint, but not for ultra high vacuums. It is still available.
 
Albertus Magnus said:
Wygląda na to, że dawniej wszyscy fizycy eksperymentalni używali czerwonego laku, takiego jak ten używany przez Bank Anglii.
TIt could use something like this Where the wax will be melted to seal
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Orange - copperBlue-meral Cream - molecular sieves
Black - rubberGreen - Titanium
Pink - wax Purple thermos
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